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The Dharma Diaries
Post Apoc-eclipse in the Peach Tree Dish | Season 2 Episode 22
We unpack some mama trauma, dish on how our relationships inform our growth journey, and discuss the pros and cons of managing a harem.
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- Okay, hey, hey, hi. - Hey, y 'all, hey. I am, we're on the other side of this April 8th,
2024 eclipse, and I am digging this energy so hard, dude. - It's nice. - It's so good. - It's activating. - It is so activating.
I feel like a little stick of dynamite every day. I love that. I mean, after having lain in a puddle for a long time, I feel like I'm going to fall in love with you. the better part of two years with just tiny little spurts of of Energy that didn't last long not very long.
I feel like yeah, I feel this feels like a rocket taken off It's fan fucking tastic. It is it feels a little manic to me, which is why I'm like,
okay, bitch Let's let's let's ease our way into this because I don't want to go off half -cocked and like find myself a Couple of weeks down the road.
Just like completely burnt out again. That's how I have to approach it because yeah Yeah, I just know me personally that in the past when I've felt this way I've like been like and let's get everything done today and that's no fun It's more fun to like space things out and have and like take my time with things still even though but you know,
it's so funny because like even in a small way, like I bought a bunch of art months ago and it all came and like I, it came and like rolled up in a tube.
I didn't even open the tube 'cause I was like too overwhelmed. I was like, I can't deal with this. I don't know where to put it, you know, blah, blah, blah. Simple thing. - I'm gonna have to get it framed. - I don't have to get it framed. I'm just like all this stuff. And then the other day,
I was gonna say post apocalypse. I'm just like, I don't have to get it framed. I'm just like, I don't have to get it framed. I'm just like, I don't have to get it framed. I'm just like, I don't have to get it framed. (laughing) - It might as well have been, girl. That's what I feel like. - But I mean, good in a good way. - In a good way. - In the best way. - In the best way.
- I took everything out and started hanging some stuff up. I was like, okay, I remember you. This energy is coming back to me. I'm remembering myself.
- That's what it feels like to me too, a remembrance. - Yeah. - A like, remembrance of like, remember when you, had energy and wanted to like just go do things? - It used to just be normal.
- And not feel like if all I ever do for the rest of my life is lay on this love seat and binge watch shows and think about them,
then I don't think it sounds so bad. Like I really, I wasn't in a terrible place. I just was like, well, I guess, I guess I'm really embracing the... the beingness of the human being.
Yeah, because I shall ain't doing shit. That's it. That's it. Just the just the like, let me just like marinate in this. Yeah,
it's so interesting because my whole life, I've never allowed myself to sit still long enough to come to any of these conclusions before. Yeah. And I think, you know, collectively, we've all been that way,
right? Like with capitalism and just being women and never giving, being given permission to relax. Like everything has to be, you have to explain every little move you make basically.
And so this last couple of years with the, with the quarantine COVID and all that has just led me down this path of slow ease,
enjoying, attuning, noticing. noticing, just whatever, you know? And for a while it was like, "Okay, well, I'm gonna notice my ass sitting on this couch watching these shows." You know?
I know, yeah. I'm like, I really feel like it's one of those zoom out things, right? So like, there have been a lot of creators who've talked about how this feels like the completion of a cycle that started in like 2020.
And so they're like booking. you know, these these eclipse energy. And it's, so if you look at it that way, you know, we took a four year period where we really consciously started to deconstruct and divest and deprogram and kind of just,
I guess, wake up to the fact that we we're in a matrix. Yeah, and then sort of figure out Where we want to go with that information Yeah,
yeah, I do. I mean I reflect back on 2020 for me. I was working. I was living in Dallas. I Had just separated from my ex -wife. We'd split up. She's sort of let me know She would be fine staying married as long as I was comfortable with her having also a harem harem of other women I was like and she didn't even you that wasn't that was not She didn't like signal that and use different language like she's three
Yeah, you couldn't misunderstand at all I'm being a hundred percent. Yeah She was like, I'm cool with you and all you can stay here and keep managing the house and the pets and the finances and working constantly and cleaning and you know or managing the you know housekeepers or whatever if we were able to afford that but me I'm a go -get me a couple of girlfriends and I was like you know what I have one to stick
around just to see if you can pull it off yeah I'm sure she didn't but no God bless the the adventure she must have put herself on but anyway so November 2019 is when she let me know that by I'm shell,
thank God, because what happened was-- - Oh my God, if you'd have gotten trapped. - If I had gotten trapped. 'Cause she lost her job. She ended up losing her job during, yeah. - And you couldn't go nowhere.
- No one couldn't go nowhere. I would have literally gotten trapped. - You'd have been stuck in a harem, girl. - I would have been in that harem. I don't even have to manage on them bitches. I'd be like, Tracy, it is not your day. Tracy,
we really need to get you on the schedule, my love. We really need to get you on the schedule. You cannot just be popping up here anytime, time. You are on Wednesdays, and that's it. I'm sorry, baby. You got to go get you another one,
too. Isn't it cool how everything, um, when you look back on it there, like how things order themselves for your highest good, when you look at it like, thank God, you got out of there at the end of 2020.
into 2019. Because the shit show was about to commence and it and it did. And so then I moved. So because my job was in Dallas at the time we lived in Madison,
Wisconsin, I was flying back and forth to Dallas every other week to go do my job. And she dropped that bombshell and I was like, let me give it a second. Let me give him a little thought. Let me think about how I want to do this.
Do I want to be your hair manager? or do I just want to like, dip? - Yeah. - And I was like, and you know, the thing about it is, and it's really, you know, I make light of it 'cause I kind of have to just survive.
But you know, there's a deep well of pain there because, oh damn, here come, here come to tears. - Girl, let him go. - Because we have like,
animals, and like a little family. you know, and this was just like an easy separation from the point of view of no children, you know, um, but still we had like,
we had two cats and two dogs and we had to like split everybody up and yeah, it's traumatizing. So of course you're not going to choose that if you don't have, right? If you have any other options.
So I definitely, you know, I joke about like, let me give it a, let me give it a thought. I really did give it a thought. I was like. let me think about this because we had a pretty good life. We had just renovated a house and we,
we intellectually were really a good match because we're both really smart. And we liked to talk about the same kinds of things. We had the same values, most of which I didn't really know I had until I met her because she sort of was my exposure.
Well, yeah, she was my exposure to those things. - She just mirrored them for you, yeah. - Which I didn't even know were there, yeah. So I was always, you know, grateful to her for that. And I think that's what kept us together for over a decade. But there at the end,
you know, that's really tough. And here's one of the things why I really resonate with, why, for example, I understand what women are going through in these heterosexual marriages,
is like where they're feeling trapped, you know. know where it's not good for them is because like I understand how empathy your empathy can be weaponized against you like yeah my I think she probably not consciously um expected me to choose the betterment of the whole realm yeah of our you know creation like the betterment of our our household and we had just moved into the house that we had renovated for over a year
together uh like a few months prior to this whole news and so and things are going great for her at work and like you know whatever um and so we were at this in this period of like things seemed to be looking up and doing going well and then like the strangest shit happened like um halloween our in Madison that year,
2019, we had a deep freeze, it was like below 20 degrees on Halloween, and we're so much so that kids had to wear their coats over their costumes for trigger treating, which was something,
so I remember that. We, our cat, one of our cats got out, and this is the most bizarre thing, because we had rescued these cats six years prior on a trailer.
trip to Decora, Iowa. They were on the side of a river bank with no houses around and my ex decided we needed to rescue them and anyway so we had these two kittens coming back from this trip and they were presumably from the same litter.
Two orange tabby cats I didn't know what they're you know how they were I don't know how to sex cats like I can't tell because they're kittens. So we thought they were with girls we brought them to to the vet.
The vet never said they weren't girls. We brought them to get spayed. You know, we went through one of those things where it was like they do like a hundred spays or a new year's in a day. So I never really talked to them.
They didn't even tell you. Oh my gosh. This cat I thought was a girl was a boy the whole time. Oh my God. That's short. Yeah, it's hilarious until what happened was sorry. Trigger warning. Sad outcome.
Cats. Cat's fine, I'm sure, but he had run away and because we didn't know he was a boy whenever we started calling around to like the animal shelters and stuff, I asked for an orange tabby that was a girl.
Well, they didn't have an orange tabby that was a girl. And come to find out, yeah, just because of a number of things like his little microchip was registered to the wrong address.
So they mailed us a paper letter letter to like the wrong address We didn't get it in time They had they had adopted him out and there's literally nothing you can do at that point and I was just like This happened right before she tells me hey,
I want to get a harem and you can stick around if you want So I was like, okay, the chips are about to fall like I see it. Yes. Yeah, you could see the tower moment I was I was like, and I was like, I'm in a fucking terror moment right now this bitch It went on and on like she actually took two trips that she took a trip over Thanksgiving to Guatemala to visit her girlfriend.
I didn't know that until after. Yeah. Um, but I was like, all right, I paid for that. I stayed home and watch the kids, you know, the animals and stuff while that was happening. And when she arrived there,
she had been in the Peace Corps, um, when she was in her early twenties in Guatemala. So it was no big deal for her to go there. She spoke the language. fluently and stuff and had contacts and more than that fat.
- Did she have a contact? - She had some contacts. - Okay. - Like this woman is the reason-- - She was out recruiting for her harem girl. - She was, that's true. Well, because she's the only reason I even know that there is such a thing as like a mobile hotel,
a concept of a mobile hotel in like Central America where you can like drive your car and they close the door. basically the garage, but it's where people can go to like to hook up. It's like about an hour. Oh my gosh I know I was like you nasty damn That's gross.
Yeah. Anyway, I'm like, but you know hard times call for you know, whatever But she was down there as soon as she landed she didn't Call me or text me and I was like, okay Well, I thought we were like literally like married and like talked all the time Yeah,
happy and whatever and then you know our cat disappears gets adopted by someone else she goes on this trip because she needs to reconnect with like her you know doing this whole playing this whole card like you know I'm having midlife crisis or whatever and I'm like well let me help you because I'm your life you know whatever I'll send I'll help pay for you to go down there I'll make sure everything is cool here
while you're getting back in touch with who you were you know and I mean right Right. Um, turn, come to find out she was there with her girlfriend, but, um, I won't even get into it,
but I will just say just for added color that she did call me from Guatemala at one point, ask, ask me like I'm a fucking secretary to find her a hotel. I was like,
bitch, you're there. Girl, you boots on the ground. Go get you a hotel language. Yeah. Yeah. Literally? I'm not your secretary. Well, she wanted you to find it so you could pay for it. Oh, that's for sure.
Yeah, all kinds of stuff from that time is really fun, but she also had connections in Brazil and had been in like an exchange program from Iowa when she grew up in Iowa.
And so she had friends and contacts and spoke Portuguese too, so she speaks Spanish and Portuguese. It was really cool. cool, you know? - Yeah. - I was like, "My wife's cool." Until my wife was like, "I'm so cool.
I'm gonna get a harem." (laughing) And I was like, "You ain't that cool." - Yeah, yes girl. - And so she ended up going to Brazil. She came back from that trip and kind of told me like,
"Yeah, you're right. Your suspicions are correct." - Yeah. - And I want a harem and I'm gonna go to Brazil now. And I was like, "This feels like a time when I need to make a stand." stand. Do you know what I mean?
- Yeah. - And even though it meant breaking up our home and breaking up our animals and all that kind of stuff, like I can't imagine. We were also in the process of adopting a kid. - Oh my God. - We were 80 % down the pathways to adopting a child.
- Yeah. - Which would have been the ultimate trap for me. - Oh, for sure. - Because had we had a toddler, I mean, I wouldn't have had to know my head from a hole in the ground to even see what was going on around me.
So. So it all just really worked out for my ultimate good. - Yeah, I mean, 'cause you were on like a dying timeline. - Yeah, that's what it was. It just looks like everything's crashing around you and you're like,
wait, what the fuck is happening? Like the earth is shifting underneath you. And by the time we ended up splitting up, the last time I talked to her, I gave her a hug in our foyer.
And I even told her at the time, I was like, it's like I'm, I'm hooked. a stranger it's like there's nothing between us yeah nothing between us and um that's hard to see you know it's like I spent 13 years this person who could give a literal no fucks about me about my experience in this part in this process yeah just depended on how I operate in the world to ensure that she would always have me there because she
thought I was so so enmeshed, so codependent, so concerned about her happiness, so concerned about the happiness of the animals that I was more concerned about that than I would be about my own good.
And she was right to think that, 'cause I had really behaved that way. - Yeah, and that's what, that is what I am noticing about this trajectory, I guess, that you're on,
or that you've been on, is that you are, you're like a reverse process. your, your relationship trauma. You know, you're, you're following these threads back.
Yeah. You were saying that because like it's so funny too, because the, the relationship that I spent the least amount of time in, which was the Ross and Phoebe, which was the most recent thing that I got involved in,
that felt more impactful to me from the point of view of like being difficult. to leave and, like, reprogram my brain after all of that fuck shit. Uh, and yet,
this was the longest relationship that I've ever been in. Someone who I did love and appreciate and thought was cool and loved her mind and, like, you know, we had our problems, of course.
You know, I think we probably, just like most of my relationships, probably should have just been friends. We probably shouldn't have never tried to make it romantic, because I just don't have, like, a s-- sustained I don't know if it's like I Like me I don't activate sexually like for very long.
Yeah, I don't know if it's the tism or what or if it's trauma It's probably yeah, it probably is probably abuse sexual abuse and stuff That is impacting that but like whenever I activate on a relationship sexually.
It's usually like in a burst of energy that looks very much like addiction because it's addiction. And then I sort of wake up out of that stupor.
And luckily with Ross and Phoebe, it happened. I woke up progressively, but after a month, and I was like, hmm. And then I started to try to extricate myself.
And that usually takes some time, and it took another month for me to completely extricate. And not because they were keeping me there, but because they were keeping me there. I was still trying to figure out what am I even doing here? How did I end up here?
How did I get snagged in their sex web? You know what I mean? - I think it was, I think it was a catalyst that then brought whatever online in you had been dormant.
- Totally dormant. - So that you could process this stuff because you-- hadn't processed No, because it is so hurtful. It is so hurtful to like Be someone's person.
Yeah, and to be like Disregarded over and over again right now. Yeah, not to be like weepy, but Oh, if you need to weep you weep.
That's the thing about yeah That's the thing about the the the bookend of this. Yeah thing It's like we have used the the last four years, hopefully, most of us have, to decondition to the point where we're like,
it's okay for me to cry. It's okay for me to feel my feelings because I think that's where we all were when you look back to 2019. We were all just little human doings navigating through the world and not really allowing ourselves to deeply feel and obviously that's a generalization and maybe some people got it before others,
but I know for me, and I've talked about it before on the podcast, you were not gonna see me cry. - Yeah. - And then fast forward to not only was I crying,
but like before I left the mortgage industry, I was routinely crying. in my boss's office Yeah, like and then I mean there was part of me that was like who even are you?
Also that Thrive mascara doesn't cry. Well, you look like you got little spider legs. I live in your face I was like, oh, I need to go back to my waterproof Anyway, but you know what I'm saying like we that to me is So helpful Yeah,
that you have the ability to look back on that part of your life and say that was painful, that really hurt, and it's like your emotional body is now just catching up.
Yeah, because I have always chosen partners who I knew how to be in relationship with. Well, if I chose you to be in relationship with,
I'm sorry to tell you this, but you are like my mother. Yes, girl. Real talk. Real talk. Real talk. Yeah. I mean, I think that's what we do,
too. And that's why I get this feeling when, as I'm watching you reverse process through these relationships, and as you continue to do that,
it's going to lead you back to your mother. mother, like that's the, that is the relationship that is the sort of seat of your wounding,
you know. But it's also the seat of your power because, because you learned so much. You know, and I, I think that because we do a lot of both and on this podcast with regards to it's this and it's.
that, I can appreciate that in some dimension, my mother had to hurt me in that way to prepare me for what this game is,
what this world is, what this reality is, because I was too fucking pure and doughy -eyed and like open. and receptive and like just a ball of like joy,
you know as a kid and You you know to like get someone from being like a ball of joy you have to kind of like knock them off their pedestal Yeah,
you know, and I think I think that this is how This is how we're healing the generational trauma, right because Uh, our moms were hurt by their own experiences and then They didn't know what to do with that and so they Unintentionally I believe unintentionally.
I really don't I don't believe people are inherently evil I know that in the things that I've worked through or I am Still working through where my mom is concerned like I know that she didn't set out to hurt me I know that the wounds that I have were passed down to me from her unintentionally and That to me is what the the generational healing is about is like oh,
I see it now And so healing it in me is gonna help heal it in her. Yeah, that's not so of my objective, but that is what generational healing is.
That's what it means. And it's like in order for me to get to a place where I could heal it, I had to have the wounds. And that is the role that our moms and /or dads,
but I really feel like as we're growing more toward, back toward, you know, our matriarchs, matriarchal lineage because I've always found it so fascinating that you know just Even from like a physical standpoint that my my maternal grandmother carried me in her womb.
Yeah, you know Yeah, my mom carried my daughter in her womb like that to me feels Really significant. Yeah, and so that to me is where?
where these roles are coming from like how we're playing this out is like they almost had to pass the wounding along to us because that's how it gets healed.
They didn't have the ability and the tools and the environment and all of the things to heal and that's not a cop out because it's not to say it's not to say you know like oh well they don't have to worry about it because we've got it right because like you don't get to continue to hurt us like we know now we see it so we're not gonna continue to put ourselves in those positions but what we what we got you
know when my mom experienced extreme trauma in her childhood I was physically present yeah yeah I I that's my wound too whether she meant to pass it on to me or not it is there do you know what I mean and I do that's what we're doing I feel like and that's what you are working back through it's like you got to this point because remember you talk a lot about pendulums to you know like this is this is swinging
back to your this is your origin story you know yeah yes a lot it's a lot. So when you feel overwhelmed by that,
it's like, of course you are. - Yeah, yeah, and grateful too, because well, and here, this is the other part of it, is that we can't even feel what's been done to us until we're in a safe enough place to feel what's been done to us,
which is why it's-- - Which is why our moms never-- - Felt it. - Felt, never got to work on that because they, you know, in a lot of ways, they probably still don't feel fully safe. - Oh gosh, no. Yeah. No, absolutely.
And yeah, so the bookend part for me feels significant because I see what bullet I bypassed by all of that happening in the way that it happened,
even though, and even though it was very traumatizing for me and I felt like very put out to Pastor. and you know all my friends that we had together abandoned me which you know is what happens in relationships so I'm not totally shocked by that but you know I definitely was I definitely feel like I got ejected from my life yeah and all I have to say is that I've had had an incredible time this last four years,
I don't regret it at all, um, I wouldn't, I think if I had to go back and be in that position before I might still be hesitant about the journey because it was tough,
but, uh, being on the other side of this makes it definitely worth having endured, not that I had a choice, but, uh, grateful for it. I'm grateful for it.
And then that's like most growth. It's like, I wouldn't, I still probably wouldn't go back and be like, oh, it's gonna be fine, you know, to myself. I'd probably be like, you know. - Yeah. - Gird yourself, girl. - Yeah,
and I used to, I used to, I remember, I remember thinking in my 20s,
sometimes in my 20s, where something, that felt catastrophic at the time would happen, like separating from my husband,
like breaking up my family, stuff like that. And then we since reconciled, but it's like, I viewed things so linearly that it was like,
oh, I can't ever, that can never be fixed. That can never be repaired." You know what I mean? And it's like, and then I would see these points in my life where I was like, "Yeah, you fucked that up. That can never be fixed." And then I,
and I'm probably gonna say it wrong because I don't speak Japanese. It's not my my primary language, but but then I read about Kintsugi in Japanese where it's this Japanese art form where they they repair broken pottery with like like gold or silver or platinum like some precious metal and it's it's art do you know what I mean then it's then it's it's like you're not hiding the fact that it's cracked you're
accentuating yeah and that and that precious metal that's that's binding that that vessel back together makes it stronger in that place and it's like that's what it is you know so now I can that when I read that about that that practice I was just like oh that's what we're all doing you know like we can we can try to hide the fractures and pretend they're not there and hope that everyone else overlooks them as well
like let's just pretend that there's not a giant crack you know down the middle of my bowl Or we can let the let the fall apart happen and then fuse it back together.
And just like, let that be let that tell its own story. And I think that's what we're doing now is like, we're just letting our stories be seen and heard and acknowledged.
And it isn't about it isn't about it. external validation piece. It's about knowing that, yeah, I broke apart there, but like,
I'm stronger for it now. - Yeah, I am. - And I'm more beautiful for it now. - Yeah, I definitely feel that way. I didn't even know who I was before. I was just going through the motions and surviving.
And now I know who I am. You know, you can't push me off my square. square anymore You know, I'm gonna keep being a ball of joy and then everybody can suck a dick I know cuz like when I get knocked off my square,
I feel like that's me That's me You know with my with with all of the ways that I'm trying to navigate but like yeah That's I feel like that is definitely the goal is just to be so sovereign and so autonomous That you just are like Mm -hmm.
I'm I am aware of who I am and that's all I need to be in this life. - I know my heart through and through and I trust myself with others because I know that I don't have any instincts to hurt or malign,
that doesn't mean I haven't hurt and maligned. - Oh, for sure, yeah. - I'm definitely the villain in a lot of people's story. - Yeah, and can I talk about that too? Because that was a realization that I had.
over the course of the last week. I was out of town and I realized that I was having a conversation with my uncle who was studying forgiveness and he made a comment about my not having forgiven my mom and I was like no I have a hundred percent forgiven my mom and and he said I don't I don't feel that from you and I was just very like clinical almost about it you know like she is who she is she can't help who
she is I forgiven her for you know whatever and he was like do you even know what like have you even worked with the wounding that you experienced and it's all I Mean literally within ten minutes of that conversation I was in tears because no no I haven't and what I realized And in looking at that From from a different angle,
you know, which is great because that's what we're all doing is helping each other get perspective Like we're gaining perspective through our relationships with each other to find our blind spots and excavate You know our shadows and all that which is so cool.
And it's amazing that we do that for each other. But like, I realized that when I got sober in 2015, and I started doing, doing stepwork and recovery,
it was about cleaning up my side of the street. And it was about taking radical personal responsibility for ha for the ways in which I had.
hurt people. Recognizing how I had harmed others and taking responsibility for that,
which is great. And that was deep work that has changed my life. But I never did then follow through with any other mechanism or modality for really looking at how I have been hurt.
I just was like, "Oh, I have forgiven myself for the ways that I have hurt other people, and that's enough." And it's not enough.
It's not enough. And I'm just figuring out, like, no, there's a whole other side of that. And it isn't about blame, and it isn't about... guilt. It's about acknowledgement and saying like,
oh yeah, I hurt. I am wounded from these different interactions with people and situations that I can now look at and say like,
yes, that hurt me and I am carrying a wound from that time in my life. And that is never going to happen. I don't know how I thought I was just gonna skate on out of it,
but you can't, you know. Well, I don't even know that we were cognizant though. I don't think we needed to do. We thought all we had ever talked about is just clearing, like you said, our side of the street. And this work is not necessarily about making other people clear their side of the street.
Right. It's about acknowledging that this this impacted me. You know, this had a negative effect on my life and holding yourself with compassion in that awareness.
- Yeah, and it's like, and it's, you know, when I made my amends to my stepchildren in recovery, it was like,
I did the best I could and it wasn't very fucking good sometimes. - Yeah. just saying like I Recognized that it wasn't it wasn't the best. Yeah but because I do believe that Usually people are just doing the best they can with what they've got And it's it's about holding paradox.
You know what I mean? And like that's the part that has been Healing for me. Yeah, it's to recognize that that even though I've taken personal responsibility for hurting my step kids I still hurt my step kids.
Yes, that's the thing. That's the thing and so even though my mom whether my mom takes personal responsibility for hurting me or not I Get to say like well,
I hurt like you hurt me right intentionally or unintentionally. I don't need you to acknowledge it necessarily That's the different part. It's like I don't need you to acknowledge it, right? - Right. - I don't need you to understand it.
I don't need you to do anything with it. I just, I need to be able to look at myself holistically and be like,
here is wounding that you're carrying from this relationship that was the most influential relationship of your life.
life. - Yeah, yeah. - It was the most formative relationship that you had. - Yeah. - And just say, like then when you put it in that kind of perspective,
you're like, yeah, I mean, yeah, these, I can work with that, you know? I can work with that. It makes me feel empowered to see like,
yeah. yeah, okay, that happened. I don't have to like, I don't need anybody else to do anything. - Right. - It's life altering,
path changing that I see it. - Yes. - It changes the way I interact now with my inner self. - Yeah. Yes, because you, it's like these things that hurt us the worst are things.
that we don't even in a lot of ways Realize are there They're just a part of It's like You know our consciousness has like this this film over it,
you know like a sticker I always think of it like stickers. I was trying not to use this Example because I'm like this is stupid, but it feels like stickers like you know like when you had your trapper class and you put like stickers on it and stuff.
- Like garbage pail kids, girl. - Like garbage pail kids, girl. You know, scratch and sniff and whip. - Some little Lisa Franks. - Yeah, girl. There's,
it's just that there's like a sticker underneath all the stickers. And we think that that's the bottom, but that's still a sticker. It's like, we gotta keep peeling it back. - Yeah. And it's just that we've covered it up with so many other things.
We think, Oh, well, there, there's nothing else there. This, this surface level is all there is. No, we came in with some pre installed stickers. And we got to, we got to peel back and get to the edge of,
but they're so they cover everything so much so that we don't even see them because we think that's just how it is. Yeah. And that's what it feels like for me as I start to deconstruct all of the,
you know, the child sexual abuse and like, um, you know, living in, you know, basically rape culture and like white supremacy, patriarchy being, you know, um,
because I was a talented kid. And I didn't, I'm late realized autistic, but I didn't know that then. I just thought I was like a talented weirdo, you know,
and that was basically my identity. Yeah, I feel like, I feel like for a while there. like artistic and autistic were just used synonymously. - Yes. - So funny how they have so many letters in common,
right? I think that's really, yes girl, I love that. I think about that a lot, artistic and autistic. So, and thank God I had that community to be in,
to be weird in. Because had I not had that community to be weird in, I would have definitely been institutionalized. There's just literally no way. that I would have, I mean, I'd like to give myself more credit, but I feel like that is the pathway that helped me get to any sort of sense of stability and normalcy.
Otherwise, I probably would have just been kept like a pit by my mom for the rest of my life. - Yeah. - You know? So I'm grateful for how all the chips fell. But now that I'm looking back on it,
there are just something, you know, some stickiness. I got to recognize. Yeah. Yeah. And I think to like, I know one of the, one of the things that when we first started this podcast and we were talking about how,
you know, as we, as we continue to record, um, and obviously, you know, we, we feel like this is an art form and the more you practice the better you get,
right? Right. And we hope. Yeah, we hope. And while I love to go back and listen to some of our like first recordings, it's like I It's crazy to me how much growth in you know,
such a short span of time because like there are some things where I will hear myself say something and it's like I don't even believe that now. And it's not even been that,
like what are we talking like six months? Yeah, so like-- - Crazy. - Stuff that I said six months ago, I find kind of cringy now because it's like these, you know, like monolithic statements. - Monolithic statements.
- Hell, even like a month ago, you know, when I was like on a rant about the boomers, like you can't just malign an entire generation of people and lump them all in and be like, "Well, these motherfuckers, blah,
blah, blah." 'Cause that's the-- same thing. It's the same energy that, yeah. And so, but I think that the whole, the reason we talk about it being like peeling back layers of an onion or peeling stickers is because it's constant different perspectives that help you expand your awareness and have different points of...
of Being able to see yeah Different points of view and so you're like I get it. I kind of get it You know what I mean like and and knowing about the the energy that is Tied to each like Generational iteration on this planet and obviously nothing is true true all of the time Right,
and you can't make blanket Statements, but it's like if you look at like where people's Pluto is in their chart, you know, like we're yeah, we're I Think Pluto and Libra people.
Yeah, like we're gonna have a different way of Looking at things than somebody who has their Pluto and whatever else, you know You like I don't really know a lot about the I know just enough about astrology for it to make a little bit of sense to me,
but I can never verbalize girl. Same girl. Same. So, um, but you know, it's like we're we are we get these different. It's like it's like each it's like each generation gets a different set,
you know, yeah. And, um, you know, like maybe we're playing our our thing out in the, you know, know, the full house set, but our parents were in the Brady Bunch set.
Do you know what I mean? - I do. - It's just like a different way of seeing and it's like when you look at it that way, again, that like helps take some of the rigidity away where you don't need to explain why they did what they did or how they did it or whatever.
It's just like, well, you just know, like shit was, that's the way shit was then and now it's not. - Right. - And it's fine. But yeah, like just making the big, you know,
I do have, I am often in touch with my arsenal energy, especially right now, 'cause like I'm feeling my Aries, you know, like I'm an Aries rising and we're an Aries season, like I feel like I could just shoot up into the atmosphere and I'm,
and I love it. I love it. But I have to remember too that like, I don't know, like I just spent, I just spent almost three weeks with my grandma who says like legit every single thing that comes into her head,
whether she ought to say it or not. Which you know, props for making it to, you know, like almost 89 years of age at this point and just saying whatever the fuck you want, like cool.
- Mm -hmm. But, we're gonna try to do that too. - I know, but then like, so it's like, on the one hand I'm looking at her and I'm like, can you ever just not say whatever the fuck you think?
And then it's like, then I listened to one of our podcasts from, you know, four months ago and I'm like, can you shut the fuck up about some shit that you don't even really understand? 'Cause like now you kind of do, but I like,
I don't even know what to say. I love that they're there like I it's the same thing I use my like Facebook profile for it's like a it's like a living journal you know a testament to my growth it I love when stuff comes up on memories where I'm like it's like that meme where it's like I have nothing there's no person I have less in common with than the me that wrote my Facebook statuses in 2008 It's like truth.
Okay for real. I definitely feel that because and it's beautiful It's beautiful. I love I love seeing it like yeah, it is a little cringe But it's also like well that was the iteration of me at that time and now I get to see like Right because you only had like three fucking points of awareness.
Yeah And now you have unlimited points of awareness. I mean, not unlimited. I'm sure that there is a number you could put on and I'm not Jesus in fully enlightened. - Right, right, right. - Do you know what I mean?
Like it's like so many additional points of awareness where you're just like, oh, bless your heart. - I know, bless your heart. - Bless your little cotton pickin' heart. - Yes, girl,
yes, girl. I feel that way a lot about myself, but now it's just sort of my default is like. oh girl you know with myself I'm like yeah you know you'll come around one day you know and I just hold myself with a lot of lightness and compassion yeah because I am just on this journey just like everybody else and I feel like I have a right to be messy I have a right to be flawed I have a right to be not perfect
that is the thing is that life is messy yeah and I feel like it's messy by design and at some times I feel like it's messy and I feel like it's messy and I feel like it's messy and I feel like it's messy and I feel like it's messy and I feel like it's messy and I feel like it's messy and I feel like it's messy and I feel like it's messy and I feel like it's messy and I feel like it's messy We got sold
this bill of goods that we're supposed to have our shit together and I don't know who Who put that bill of goods together? Yeah, but they was a lie. They was a lie like it's not it's nobody knows What's going on right ever we're all just theorizing we're all just reacting to stimuli It's not like yeah,
anybody has a clear picture of anything ever or ever ever will. - It's a great big, it's a great big experiment. - It's a great big experiment.
- It's just a great big messy experiment. In the peach tree dish, did you see that? - No. - Marjorie Taylor Green. - Did she say peach tree? - She said peach tree. - Poor bless her heart girl.
- I know. - Yeah. - Yeah. - That's probably what we'll name this episode. (laughing) - The Peach Tree Dish. - Yes girl. - Girl. (laughing) But you know, I think about that in terms of like the quiet onset Nickelodeon documentary that just came out and All of the reckoning that's coming around with that because it's exactly what you just said it's the phase we're in now is looking at our own pain and and how we were
harmed by these systems and Using that information now in the light of how we see it to make different decisions going on forward. And in fact, you know, Hollywood is Kind of crumbling right now.
Yeah under all of this and for a variety of reasons that have been probably a long time coming but that you know, that's a reality that we're facing too is like looking at The culture that we have built up and what it was built on And what we were it was selling us and who it was actually for and all of this grossness and then also reckon,
you know, recognizing, you know, this is just going to create a ripple of awareness. I think in people's lives, just like it has for me because I've had some awareness in the last week about some clarity around some abuse that I experienced in my family that wasn't clear to me.
I knew there was like some weirdness. but you know I didn't have any You know as an adult when you come come into adulthood and you become safe enough to start looking at your childhood trauma My you know my mom is an easy target because it's like,
you know, it's my most prominent relationship So that was quote -unquote easiest for me to identify there was something not great about that right and what that was But then all these other like secondary tertiary relationships when I was a child Yeah adults Yes,
I've had to you know Just have to take time with to come around to realizing what the nature of those relationships was and whether it was Healthy or abusive and for me, I'm coming to terms with how some relationships in my family with when I was a child with adults Was not yeah,
healthy and what does that mean for me going forward am I like gonna expose that person? Thank you Am I gonna do my own documentary? No, but it's information for me and it's all coming clear because I'm able to see it in the mirror of things like quiet on set.
- Yes, and it's like we're experiencing, I feel like what we're doing is we're experiencing sort of this like generational reckoning with the fact that there are very few of us who were not abused or molested or exploited.
in some way on some on some level and maybe it wasn't some rampant, right, super traumatic, you know, trafficking or whatever.
Yeah. Which does happen to a lot of people. Exactly. But they we're just we're reckoning with like how prolific it was for such a long time in our society.
And still is. Still is. is and that's the part where we're like, you know, like you read stuff about how as human beings evolve things like the The what chromosome is it the the Y chromosome,
whatever the male chromosome is. Yeah, the Y chromosome is sort of like being phased out. Yeah. And it's like, well, that makes perfect sense. Yeah. You know, because yeah it ain't great right now,
you know? - No, because it's endangering. - Again, another monolithic statement that I'll probably cringe at later, but do you know what I mean? - Yes. - It's like nature's taken care of of what needs to be taken care of, but also as we continue to evolve,
it's theorized that, you know, we won't eat the way we eat now. Like we'll eat for pleasure maybe, but we won't necessarily need to eat for survival because we are not.
the thing not the way that we eat now right because our bodies will have sort of like surpassed that mechanism and gone with something you know or a cleaner and it more efficient the same thing with with sex like exactly it's like if if what if the means by which you reproduce causes so much psychological and emotional damage and and harm to the person that,
you know what I mean? It's just like, well, that's not efficient or effective. So maybe we phase that out and it's like, well, yeah. - Parthenogenesis,
baby. - Yeah, 'cause like, it's not great. And then like, you have, in other words, other cultures, like I've read about where in some of the Asian cultures, like these women are just like,
yeah, we're just not going to have sex with you anymore. - South Korea, the 4B movement. And, you know, I was a lesbian for over a decade,
so don't listen to me too closely on this. 'Cause I was like, I was over men for a long time now. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, but then, and it was like,
was easy to stay in my little manhating bubble, you know, as a lesbian, um, I'm gonna be real, I'm gonna be real with you about that, you know, I'm gonna be real with you about that. Like,
uh, I stayed very comfortably kind of like looking down my nose at men, um, not super consciously, but kind of socially too.
You know, it was just like a lot of women. And I loved it. Like I had, I felt safe, you know, know Even though I was in a relationship that where you know as I reflect upon it wasn't necessarily equitable to me Yeah, and certainly wasn't considering my well,
you know my my experience, right? But then again, I didn't know to ask for that. So yeah You know you can get in into and I really this really should be no secret to anyone But you can be in a toxic relationship with another woman if you're a woman So just don't go in like me all blind and dumb being like always gonna be fine because it's a woman like Like,
no bitch, like you did not have the relationship. - It's so funny that you had, it's so funny that you had the biggest blinders on earth on after the decades long relationship that you had just had with your mother.
- With my mother. - And you're like, women are just safe except for her. - Except for my mom. - Clearly she's the only, you know, outlier here, but yeah, no. - Which I guess is why. - You were definitely totally burying that. - Completely. - That realization.
- Yeah, oh no, definitely. And you know, I still, I love, I mean, I love my mom, love my ex, like I still miss them both because they're the two people that I was the closest to in that,
in that way, like we had a meeting in the minds and they really knew how to kind of like work me. Do you know what I mean? Like I, they knew how to spin me up. And, uh,
you know, I guess while I was into that, that was fun, I suppose. But now I've been really into enjoying for the last four years, um, just being at peace and realizing how like when I don't have to consider others,
I get to just choose the path of least resistance for me. And I'm flowing, baby. Hell yeah, you are. And it's fucking great. Yes. And, um,
did I, did I, I just want to be, I want to paint the picture for everybody. Because if you're looking, if you're listening to this and you're contemplating or maybe you're listening to this and you're contemplating or you're contemplating 'cause I didn't really contemplate, I didn't have no damn choice.
I mean, I could have stayed and been, I could have stayed and been the financial advisor for the harem. - Yes, girl. - And you know that was-- - I'm the director of operations for this. - That's probably still on the table. - For this situation. Do you know what I'm saying?
- Yeah. - She probably had me back. She's like, you know, put me down as a reference, baby. You know what I mean? But since I'm not doing,
I'm doing, pursuing this. I do miss-- I do think about her a lot. And I think about my mom. My mom, to a lesser degree, because it's been a longer time since I've been in direct relationship with my mother.
But one of the things I will be completely honest about is that it's both. It's like both invigorating and freeing. And I feel like I have achieved this status of autonomy.
and sovereignty that I never knew I could ever have. It was not promised to me and it feels illegal. And you may not have gotten there. That's the thing. That's the part that I'm that I'm really gaining awareness around and is so mind blown to me.
It's like, and you may not have gotten there had those people not. Yeah. Hurt me. Yeah. Yeah. Which is why I still have a soft spot. soft space in my heart for them Even though there's not a place in my physical reality for them because of the way that they Behave yeah related to me,
but I think that I know that they both love me. Yeah, I know that I'm sure they still love me That love doesn't go away But the ability to interact with one another another because of our own and individual programming and where we've evolved to is just what it is.
Right. So it's both really amazing to be in flow, be an autonomous sovereign being for however long I'm able to maintain this. It's been great so far. And it's also really sad and devastating to know that like this life that I built with someone I had to leave and I had to separate our animals you know people have to separate their children's children whenever they sometimes you know they have to at least share them
and it's like everything gets disrupted. disrupted, right? There's that is true. And I don't want to say it's worth it. It's you. Everybody gets to decide. But for me, I'm grateful to the experience because even though everybody fucking abandoned me,
like dropped me like a hot potato, um, friends, like all down the line, like, uh, with, with the exception of a couple of people who have been like, uh, like you,
of course, but you don't even count you because you're part of my life from birth. - I'm an OG. - I mean, I do count you 'cause you're so important to me. But I just mean people who have been transient in my life who have come in and out.
There have been a couple of people who have been die hard. We might not talk for months at a time, but they're in my energy. - I love those people that you can just pick up like not 20 months have passed.
have passed. Right, exactly. And I'm so grateful for those people. But, you know, it does hurt. You know, it just hurts a lot whenever you've built a friend group around being in a couple with other couples.
And then, like... And then you don't get the friends in the divorce. And I did not get the friends in the divorce, which makes me feel like, was I the prod? Like, was I the... And, you know, the autism makes you a little...
little annoying I get that and It can be it can be I just want to be you just have to find your you just have to find your people though Because I'm not annoyed by you in the slightest. Well, I appreciate that I don't I just but I know that and this is where being the villain and other people's story is okay yeah,
because I know how I can I can be abrasive and And not intentionally just because I'm like not considering the same social rules that you are that other people are necessarily and I'm just like hey this is what it is and that's how I can navigate the world which is why I mostly stay at home and don't like interact with people but when I have and I've seen that my takes on things have been like hard for people
yeah I do feel badly about that but not enough to like comfort them anymore. I'm not gonna comfort you if what I say hurts. - I mean, that's the thing about the whole, you know,
the whole victim villain savior paradigm. It's like when you're casting, when you're casting someone in the role of villain in your story,
you often don't remember that someone has cast you as that role. in there's yeah And that's what we're coming to terms with it's like not only are we having to look at how we have been Victimized,
you know not not to say we always live in that space, but it has happened to us You know others have heard us even though they didn't intend to right we've done the same thing and that it's like you In a weird way Even though having gone through 12 -step programs and having done the amends It's it's not like you ever are done,
right? You know, you're always gonna be surfacing things that like oh well I can see how I was completely heartless in this case or and I can see how I might have come across that way Even though it was not my intention Intention and yeah intent and actual harm are completely separate.
Yeah, and like just knowing like what? But Like there may not even have been any intent you may have just been reacting to some internally Absolutely, you weren't aware of right didn't need a little space and distance in time to be able to be like oh That's what that was.
Yeah, you know and yes and just Allowing people to Evolve and change and grow and be and and Recognizing that acts are separate from people.
- Like behavior is not-- - Yeah, people are not the acts that they commit. And that isn't to excuse abhorrent behavior, but it's just to say that like, if you don't believe that people are inherently evil and I don't,
um, and you, and you, and you can look more holistically at like well how did they get here? Mm -hmm. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Like it's easier to have compassion for things that people have done.
And helps you move forward. Mm -hmm. And it's not only it's like when we practice compassion for ourselves we're actually practicing it for others. Right. Because it's just a matter of time. before you know we have an interaction with others that will mirror that back to us and if we already have the experience of having extended compassion to ourselves in those instances in that dynamic.
And like I don't want to jinx it so like knock on wood here or whatever but I am experiencing the world I want to experience these things come up less and less often for me since I I am just like choosing to live in a reality where Yeah,
people treat each other with kindness and compassion that shows up more and more often for me. Yeah Because that's the world that I that's the reality that I am co -creating with the universe.
That's what I'm ordering That's what you're noticing about that's what your confirmation bias is checking for. Yeah. It's such an important thing to notice too, because I, I've noticed lately for me, I get into these little,
uh, TikTok, um, holes, like black holes where I just like, I'm like, I'm scrolling and I'm like, what am I waiting for to come across my feed so that I can finally be done scrolling?
You know, it's like, why am I just keeping looking? And I noticed I'm like, looking at that part of my awareness where what am I trying to confirm? Yeah, and I've noticed too, like with social media,
um, it's getting more and more fucking boring. Exactly. It can't hold my attention the way it used to because it's yes,
which is cool. And it's like, is that because I said to myself on several, you know, several times I'm like, what am I trying to confirm?
I'm like, what am I trying to confirm? I'm like, what am I trying to confirm? probably isn't healthy. This is probably not a good use of my time and energy. It would be great if I didn't spend so much time looking at a screen.
So now it's like the universe is like, oh well, I'll just send you a bunch of shit you don't care about and then you won't want to do it and you'll pick up a book or go out and walk or go play with your dog or whatever the hell.
You know what I mean? I think that that's part of it. And I think that's-- what I meant whenever I said like ordering, like I'm saying to the universe, like enough with the social media shit,
you know? And then it's like, it's all dumb. And it's like, it can't hold my attention. - No, I agree. - And I'm like, thanks for that. - Yeah, thanks for that 'cause now I'll go outside or I'll listen to the birdsong, you know?
I'm always trying to work with my awareness on that because one of the things I agree with Transurfing talks about is a technique where you're always checking in with yourself to make sure like am I making a decision to do what I'm doing?
If I'm not making a decision to do what I'm doing then someone else has suggested that I do what I'm doing like through some experience that I've had I might be by default doing something that I'm not totally conscious I want to be doing yes so asking yourself that in interrogating.
And so sometimes I'll just be scrolling in a black hole on TikTok and I'll be like, am I aware of what I'm doing? Am I choosing to do the sentence? Like yes, but also I'm not enjoying it.
- Right. - And at some point I'm going to distance myself from this because I'm not enjoying it and I need to check in with myself to make sure I'm doing this 'cause I wanna do it.
this And if yeah, what am I getting at it like constantly asking? Mm -hmm. I Don't know. I feel like maybe this would be a good place for us to wrap for this Absolutely,
and and then we can come back cuz I do want to cover this was a long meandering path you guys Thanks for coming along as usual As usual, but yeah, we cover,
you know I'm I'm grateful that I got an opportunity to talk a little bit more about this shit show That was the Dissolution of my marriage. Yeah, because that's I mean, I love that you are like I said reverse processing back to back to you're on You know where you're you know where you're gonna end up and so you're just taking your taking your time to get there And I'm safe.
I'm safe while I'm doing it and it's all okay and whatever time it comes up for me It's okay, and you know, I do I'm I really love my ex and you know I love my mother and you know just don't call me I love that and on that note that's the best tagline ever I love y 'all don't call us yeah bye all right we're back hello to our Patreon are we gonna are we gonna open this up and just make it free make it free
um as soon as I can figure out how last time I went on the Patreon Patreon to try to figure out how to change the pricing, I forgot that Patreon is such a dick that what they do is that once you lock the pricing in,
you have to create a whole new tier and people have to move on to it. Oh my God. I know. Well, you know, stick with us guys. We're going to figure it out. Also the last,
the March, we did, we did upload an episode for March. We just labeled it. it february and oh you fixed it no it was it wasn't that it was that we uploaded the one from march and then noticed because my cousin love you kelly actually tried to listen to the february one she was like this link doesn't work and i was like oh my bad um and so i updated the february so we had two podcasts gotcha gotcha yeah okay all
right excuse me this is real life y 'all i got to cough um What I wanted to talk about though is just what you were talking about before I pressed Press record, which is that on Facebook?
People are marking themselves safe from a tornado and it's like you can't use your phone like I know your family Here's the thing like what what is we doing? What is we do like? Do you is your public?
Are you a celebrity? You know, I just don't understand. I don't understand the concept. Like if you're okay, I'm gonna know that you're okay because I talk to you regularly. I'm not gonna be just like refreshing your page on Facebook,
waiting to know that you're okay. - Yeah. - Or I now see that you're posting, I don't know, it just, we do the dumbest shit. - Well, this is what I really wanna say is it never occurred to me until literally like yesterday I saw a TikTok where somebody was talking.
about how this might be the end of the internet and I was like hold on wait a second yeah that could happen like we don't even think about it but the internet used to not be a thing yeah it's only been a thing for like 30 years yeah um publicly right right and um excuse me um it can go away and we built our entire society off of of this Infrastructure that is new technology.
It's so dumb Yeah, we have completely given up all of her old Ways of doing things and just gave it over to the internet. None of us did this overnight.
This has been a slow We've been yeah, we've been being we used to actually use Like when we would road trip when we were kids like somebody in the car had a paper map Yeah, that they would like unfold and like,
you know, we would yeah plot out your trajectory your trajectory and then when we did get the internet Then we would pull up directions print them out Yeah,
they were like four pages long with step -by -step instructions Yeah, we would map quest that shit and now we just have GPS's in our car and I mean like don't get me wrong I love it great because I am a person with who is lost who is so directionally challenged I mean I could get lost in my hometown right now I'm not even not even exaggerating terrible at you know like I walk out of a I don't have any it's like
I don't have any spatial awareness and that coupled with directionally being directionally challenged like I will just as an example walk out of a hotel room that I just walked into and put my Shit down and be like oh What way do I turn down this hallway to get back to back to you know the lobby or like go to the ice machine and be like how Yeah,
I'm like not exaggerating that's really how it is for me I don't know that it's that weird though nowadays and here's why because we used to like be trained societally to care about where we were because we needed to plug into the system of maps and roads right vectoring right vectoring which is what yeah Ralph your husband um reminded me was what it's called whenever you plot your because he's a pilot plot the
destination from one point to the other we don't do that should know more because we're like well I don't need a brain the computer knows yeah and then and is true because like, you will drive into a lake if the GPS tells you to turn right here,
you know, and it is legit happened. - Yeah, girl. - And I'll be like, I mean, am I really safe? It's like, clearly you're not supposed to turn here, but you're gonna do it any damn way.
You see nothing's there, but you're gonna turn there because the GPS told you to, even though, and that, yeah, it is like... sort of scary how we will override our intuition and our inner guidance system.
- Yeah, and our senses. - And our senses. - Our literal senses. - Because the computer told us to, you know? - Yes, exactly. - And does sending even a good computer like on Star Trek? - No girl. - Can't even make you a Earl Grey hot yet.
- I know. When is that coming? - Awesome computing. - Also, when are we gonna be able to beam places? 'Cause you know, I'd give up the internet. internet today if I could beam my ass to Europe Portals.
Yeah, we need some portals portals. We asked before who's working on who's working on portals Nobody ever say we need a status update. Come on. Come on. Yeah, give us an update. No, I think that's the way but I wonder if Because of the advances with AI we might actually lose credibility The internet might lose credibility to the extent that we just abandon it.
Because we're like, yeah, like it's there, but we just don't use it. Why would you go on there? You know, it's full of bullshit. Like everybody's lying on there. It's like you wouldn't go to a Diagon Alley.
And you know, that is true because I know I was just actually having a conversation about this yesterday with Ralph over dinner where it's like cable TV got so commercialized,
right? You can't watch. you know, it's like they'll show you You know four and a half minutes of a sitcom and then you have to sit through four minutes of a commercial And the show itself is only 17 minutes long because they have it broken up into so many segments And so we were like yeah not gonna do that and so then we all started Subscribing to these streaming services.
Well now the streaming services are like we're gonna co -opt your attention and Show you ads and so like now even that I'm like I don't even like I've canceled like three or four streaming services because I'm just like yeah That's the same shit as cable TV tried to pull and I ain't here for it I ain't here for that and so and it's the same thing with like Google like I don't use Google anymore because it's nothing
It's garbage pages and pages of ads saying and so it's like well now I'm not gonna use so yeah I think you're right like maybe we just abandon it because it gets so useless It's just junkie that we're just like yeah,
I'm not gonna you know can't trust it it's not a good source of truth yeah maybe it never was but it's so interesting how we I don't know I think it was I think that it just got co -opted by yeah it got co -opted because Google used to be cool as shit cool as shit Google when went back in our day when we first started internet Google was like Chad GPT is now like yeah as it was yes I agree I remember going to
grad school and not realizing until I was in grad school that you could like research things. Like there were research databases, because the only thing we ever had access to was Google, which was cool enough.
But then like learning that there are these other databases that you can search and find all this other information kind of blew my mind. - Like Linux and stuff like that. - Like Linux and stuff like that. And that's still,
you know, I think it's just good to remember that... everything is on the internet. Yes, we can survive without the internet. And then it was just like this marketplace essentially that popped up and everybody just swarmed to it over time.
And now it's there's so many people there and now with chat GPT and other AI generative AIs that can produce can screen scrape your image and like,
use it for ads without you ever having any way like that could have that happens to people that's happening to people right now and you have no recourse or the laws haven't caught up yeah and I am and I am disinclined to depend on any legal I know thing anyway because that anyway that shit is probably going by the wayside as well exactly yeah so it's an interesting thought like maybe we're living through the end of
the internet age which would also be cool because It would force decentralization again. Yes, and it would force us to get more in -person again Yeah, which is what we need as a human beings.
We need that connection We need to remember how to relate to one another in -person. Yeah, and how to connect and make community all of the skills that we've lost now that we've gone on the internet and outsourced outsourced all of the little things in our lives that we don't want to deal with,
we're going to have to relearn the skills to collaborate with others towards those goals. And that's a little scary because we haven't done that in so long,
but it's stuff that is in our genetic makeup to be able to do. And we just have to remember. We just have to remember how to communicate. We just have to remember how to be autonomous. Just have to remember,
you know, not to exploit more. one another and how to be in community How to be in community how to not constantly be trying to sell shit to yes each other or To decolonize decolonize our minds from capitalism from patriarchy from white supremacy Yeah,
because that's the whole thing too. It's like Unsubscribing from you know, the internet are just like leaving the internet behind I feel like that's kind of the same that holds the same energy for me is just like leaving capitalism behind like I think that's why it's referred to now as late -stage capitalism because we all know it sucks it sucks and it's just like the new thing hasn't come online yet but we're all
divesting from the thing as it is now because it's stupid and it nobody wants to participate it's lame you know and it's not giving us any benefits no um it's just like I feel like any gold rush where like there was a period of time where it was fucking great great and Now it's just gone down the tubes.
You know what I mean? Yeah, so I'm hopeful about that I think that could be really cool. Yeah, and I I often Think about like when they're when if I if I listen to an audio book Because that's cool,
you know, I do like I do yeah but when I when I listen to an audio book if it's super interesting if there's information there that I'm like oh, I want to have access to this indefinitely,
I also buy the hard copy. - I know. - Because I'm like, one day, we might not even have electricity for all we know. You know what I mean? I'm hopeful though that it's not gonna be that. It's gonna be that we just understand like electricity is so cheap to produce that we just all get on the grid because we're humans and we get electricity.
- Well, 'cause electricity is just like a fucking thing that exists and the fact that we've got. gatekeepers to charge is just it's so criminal and you have old people who were like on fixed incomes who were like,
you know, like are asking the church or Crowdfunding or mutual aid sources to pay their light bill and it's like can we just can we just give the elderly electricity, right? Because they live here Or why are we even charging them like just to be dicks?
I know just to be like if you're the electric if you're the person working at the electric company when this little lady comes in and is like, I, and now, you know, I can't, I don't have it.
And you don't figure out a way to give her electricity. Like, how do you sleep at night? I don't think people are sleeping very well. I think that they're living in a whole bunch of coping mechanisms because they're not empowered to do the right thing.
Right. And in fact, have to, they're by policy. at the threat of losing their jobs are having to uphold this bullshit. And anyway, I'm just really hopeful that something which had never occurred to me before,
like the internet just becoming a wasteland. Yeah, and us just abandoning it because like literally if it went away. So what like we I mean, it's a lot it's big because we all plug into it.
But if we unplugged from it, we're still a little bit, we're still a little bit, we're still a little bit, we're still a little bit Yeah, we can still we have still have autonomy. We can still direct our energy into other things. And the internet can just be like a blip,
a thing that we did for 30 years. It's such a small amount of time. And it's so clear that it just came in and kind of like wrecked our brains and totally co -opted our brains.
Yeah, because like, I sometimes I feel like no girl, it isn't that you have early onset Alzheimer's It's that you never have to remember a single fucking thing.
Yeah, and because you just look it up Yeah, you know if you can't remember a word you don't sit there and like Roll through the Rolodex of your vocabulary to be like, oh, where's that word and what's it? You know go through other etymologies and you know figure it out.
Mm -hmm It's fucking with our recall. It's because I don't have to recall We don't store things locally anymore. And I was thinking today, too, like I left. I I left my house to go walk the dog.
And I just, you know, leave the door unlocked because I'm like on the same street. Yeah, dead end. But yeah, on a dead end street. And I like Ralph came back. He left and then he forgot something.
So he came back and you know, but yeah. But I was thinking. thinking, because as I put my, you know, I put my hand on the door knob,
I was like, please open, you know, because it was like, it would have easy, it could have easily happened where you just, you know, routine, you locked the door. I've locked him out before that way. He was in the backyard and I like locked the whole house and left and I knew he was in the backyard.
I just, it was, it was habit. Just habit, yeah. But, um, anyway, I was thinking, because I didn't bring my phone with me. I don't typically bring my phone with me when I walk the dog and I I'm like, if I were locked out,
like, I don't know, I guess the dog and I would just be chilling outside indefinitely, 'cause it's like, I don't even know, if I don't have my phone, I can't call anybody, and I don't know anybody's phone number any fucking way. - Yep, it's such a wake up call.
- I know, like, one phone or two phone numbers, maybe. - It's such a wake up call, I need to write your phone number down, 'cause I don't have it either memorized, I-- - Yeah, I don't have yours memorized, 'cause yours has changed like three times. - It has changed,
girl. - Yeah, you get to be on a short list to get that new number, girl. That's some hot digits right there. - But don't call me. - But don't, please don't call me. That's why I changed my number. But you know,
when I got locked out of my RV that night, girl, that gave me like a shot, like it shook me out of my stupor 'cause I was like, oh, you do not have any back stops for this.
- No, this is a complete trusting of. systems that are not built to support you They are meant built to exploit you Yes, and you're just gonna let them like have all of the information literally all our pictures all of our Information,
you know Google sheets. It's all gone y 'all if we if we are in the cloud and somebody decides to cut that shit off Yeah, it happens all the time easily could do and it's like yeah Getting hacked left and right if I get one more fucking letter from somewhere somewhere,
it's like, oh, all of your personal financial information is now on the dark web, and it's like, well fuck, okay, well, you know. - I hope they enjoyed the read. You know, hope they don't cry on themselves to sleep.
- I know, I'm just like, yeah. - My story ass story. - I'm just like, whatever, that's lame, you know. Yeah, excuse me for that coughing. - It's so dumb, like, all of it is real dumb.
- It's just like, we need to just kind of realize we're in a tr-- trap. No big deal, nobody had a stress. You ain't got to run. But start to gather your shit. (laughing) And start to slowly make to the exits.
- I know, because yeah. And then that's what the thing too, like I don't think it's gonna be like, I can't remember the name of the movie, but there was this movie with Viggo Mortensen where he's like,
there's some fucking apocalypse. apocalyptic Sure scenario, and he's trying to get somewhere with his young son and they're just like rolling through you know,
you fucking Everything's bombed out. Sure, you know, whatever Because I was thinking I always think about that when I'm like, oh, yeah I need to buy a hard copy of this book and then I'm like,
I'm just gonna be like this chick just wheeling around a bunch of books in a grocery Like bitch, where are you going with that little library all week? What are you, where are you going? But I hope that what happens is that we just,
you know, we get to stay in our houses. We're not going back to, you know, the fucking pioneer days. I don't know. I think we're just going to stop like, you know, your house is just your house now.
You don't have to take 30 years to pay for it with exorbitant amounts of interest. Your electricity is just free for people. We just come as you figure out. all these exploited systems in the gatekeepers and we just are like,
yeah, I mean, we still have the technology because the technology belongs to all of us. Right. Yeah. And the resources belong to all of us. So we just figure out a way to allocate them that doesn't. I mean,
there's so much stuff. We have so much of everything. If we just didn't have people, um, you know, holding it hostage and exp...
us in order for us to get it. Like we, we, we could all just be, you know, chilling, chilling, like villain, John, like villains. Well, hopefully with any, you know,
with any luck, that is what will ultimately happen. Yeah. Um, hopefully without too much my lens, um, you know, I really just, and that's another thing that I feel like,
um, and I'm sure that you've seen this on tiktok too, but it's like, I don't feel like any sort of like revolution is the vibe because we don't feel like it,
you know? Like, I don't think we go into it. - Well, not only that, but we fundamentally do war differently as women. And I think that's something that another thing that was like,
gave me an aha moment. It's like, wait a second. I personally feel like I've been at war. - What's the, what is the term? I'm not gonna pick up my phone and Google it. - Oh yeah, I got it right, yeah. - But what's the term about like malicious not,
what is it, malicious compliance? - Yes, malicious compliance. - That's how women war. - That's how women war. And yeah, so like, don't think that we're not aware of what we have under our control and what we are,
how we're navigating. I mean, I feel like just because men do war a certain way doesn't mean that women do war the same way. And don't think that we're not at war. - And also, I feel like we were talking about this earlier,
but like we're also being lied to and misled about the state of the, you know, the technology and the advancements and stuff. Because like when Amazon opened those stores where they were like,
we, our tech is so great. You just walk up in here, get your shit and leave. And it's, like now they've ever it's like been uncovered that they just had a bunch of poor people in India who were feverishly following people on camera around the store to see what they bought that's why you wouldn't get your um your like receipt for hours after you checked out because the Indian and people had to like tally your shit
and it's like how y 'all going how you want a lot like that - I know, like, it's hilarious. - Well, and I was just telling you too, here's another great thing that happened,
like with technology, trying to be more than it can be. You know how you go in the gas stations now where they've got like, you just put your stuff on this little thing and it's got like an overhead camera and it tells you what it is?
Well, I went into a gas station and I got this foam cast smelling my car 'cause my niece and she said it and not her. But my niece left a smoothie in my car. She lying. lying when she said she didn't do it.
- A yogurt smoothie, y 'all. - A yogurt smoothie, y 'all. And I did not know what it was. I thought something, I had literally crawled into my car and died. So I was like, okay, it smells that bad. And this was like weeks ago.
And I, anyway, I found the source. It was a smoothie that had-- - Coagulated. - Coagulated became, it has a government now. Like it is submitted,
it is submitted, it's requested. requests to me Do you know what I mean? Yeah, and here I'm in the position of having to like eradicate it I feel really bad about it, but it's it's either them or me. Do you know I'm right this situation?
It's like I'll have to abandon the whole car So I went into the gas station to get some something and I got some Lysol because I was like I gotta do something about this I put the little Lysol and my Diet Coke on the little thing so it could read it and it just straight up like read Something it was like a three dollars,
but the Lysol can was six dollars and I was like am I gonna tell somebody about this? And I was like bitch. No, no girl. Get your lights on. Give my life. You're the only person buying Lysol at the gas station I didn't finish charge her.
She's so she obviously needs you don't know you could get this at the DG. Oh Speaking of the fucking DG yeah, they just be advertising prices and then charging you whatever the fuck they want when you get to the register.
- And they are understand so that you can't contest it. - And then UWM has a federal fucking racketeering lawsuit for essentially the same shit just on a much larger scale.
You know, like they're overcharging you for a home instead of, you know, a bottle of hand sanitizer. But like, it's so blatantly obvious that the shit is falling apart. - Yeah, it is. it's like now everything's just a big money grab because it's like they all know like oh the jig is up they're they're catching on and this is why this is why Summer and I are in the planning stages of opening a community owned co -op
so that we can just not go to the fucking Walmart or the Target so over it you know dollar general or whatever like we're just gonna locally owned yeah - And we're just gonna member owned this bullshit.
Like we're just gonna fucking make our own stuff. And like the goods swap because there is so much stuff already, nobody needs any more new stuff. Like I have stuff that I no longer want or use.
You have stuff that you no longer want or use. I have stuff that I'm not gonna use but you would. You know what I'm saying? Like we just trade our shit. Money doesn't have to change hands. It doesn't have to have any sort of tax implications or whatever,
like we just-- - Share. - Yeah, we just share. It's like going back to kindergarten. This kindergarten 2 .0. (laughing) - And listen, the reason why we haven't been able to do that lately in the last 30 years or whatever is because the actual fucking laws around capitalism don't wanna fucking let you just share your shit.
Like they wanna make everything a-- a transaction that they ask It's so crazy. And it's like you can't even like leave your leave your You know, there used to be like a method on Avenue to create generational wealth in this country But now that's only available to like the top Oh,
yeah, you know 1 % of the 1 % right because like they now it's like if your mom dies and she like has a house That's paid for it. They just like take it. Yeah, it's like. Oh, sorry We were gonna take this the whole time Yeah.
Hope you weren't can't even leave anybody anything now. It's real bad. We're going to put it in a quote trust to help offset the cost of your, um, you know,
your, your aging loved ones final years. And it's like, no, like you just stole all of our shit. All of their shit. Yeah, it's really it's yeah. If you're not a one percenter, don't expect to don't expect to inherit anything.
No, FYI. - Well, being Po growing up really has helped me. - Same. - Expect much. - Same, same. I'm like, now I look at it as, 'cause I was like, oh, woe is me. Like, why is this my lot in life?
And now it's like, because you know how to fucking get by. - Yeah, you know what, yeah. - Exactly. - And like, I do, I look at it as a blessing now, 'cause I'm like, well, you've been poor before.
You know, I mean, hell, for me, I'm poor now. Like I rolled out for my six figure job and said, fuck the man. And now I'm just like, you know, not, I don't have any currents.
Well, how do you heard much about because here's the other thing that I've been hearing on the on the tick talks is about like a bank failure that they're expecting to happen. Local like regional banks are supposed to start falling soon.
Yeah, I don't I haven't heard anything about that But I also believe that the way reality likes to operate It's like and once we think that think it's gonna happen It won't happen. No, I wish people would kind of like shut the fuck up about it Sure,
sure like let it happen like yeah, if the banks are gonna fail They're gonna fail like you don't have to blow the whistle guys, you know, especially Consents people who blow whistles now apparently get unalive. Yeah, dude.
Like just from you know talking. I don't know It's it's rough. It's like you wanna, part of you wants to tell people, hey, just be aware of this, like if you've got money in your regional banks. But honestly,
the whole system's gonna collapse and what's probably gonna happen is that they're trying to roll out this digital currency, you know, because the dollar is gonna start like fucking tanking 'cause it's no longer the standard for oil purchasing or whatever.
- Yeah, like we can only, we can only rig the system for so long. for so long before other countries are like your time is up. Yeah, which we get, you know, because we also are getting screwed by this,
you know. So it should be interesting. It should be definitely a roller coaster. But I'm actually encouraged by the idea that the internet internet might become broadly speaking,
so obsolete, because it is such a like, just trash compactor of like stuff you can't prove or trust or yeah whatever you know well especially now because AI can like steal your voice your face you know make make you say stuff I mean I think that's already happened it's already a couple of politicians and so now yeah you just like what's the part as it gets better and better and more difficult to identify people are
gonna go on these trips where they just believe what they see because that's what we've been what we've been being trained to do and discount our own intuition and discernment which we may or may not have anyway.
Well I think that's the thing it's like we didn't for like we were so disconnected from it for a while because we could be and we're just out here like living the dream or whatever and now we are starting to have discernment and awareness and so yeah.
Yeah. We're just as that comes out. back online, the other stuff is going to go offline. It just can't survive. They're not, yeah, they don't operate well with each other. So,
so interesting. I can't wait to see, uh, well, I can't, let me just, let me put that a different way. I am enjoying life right now and I am optimistic about what the collapse of these structures might mean for us.
because I think it means that we're gonna get back connected to each other and our creativity because if you think about it things used to be so much more fun like think about how people used to dress in the 80s and like we've just gotten really locked down and homogenized and herded into homogen homogeny through the internet essentially and yeah I'm just I just think that it's gonna be it is really cool.
Cool. What a time to be alive We say that all the time. We don't have a choice by the way Might as well enjoy it So yeah, I don't know anything else.
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