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Listen, I'm Not an Engineer | Season 2 Episode 18
Here's a (we hope mostly coherent) ramble about the Swamp of Sadness, Titanic, and Doritos.
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[MUSIC] >> My God,
it's good to be back. >> Hi there, girl. >> What a icky romp. through the swamp of sadness I've I've had I know I'm happy that you're here to tell us all about it well I mean nobody really wants to hear about that but I will say well the revelations that have oh that you have gleaned from this experience of your in your slug what is it slog slog yeah your slog through the swamp of I also am a slugged through
it but like yeah was a slug slug. But like slugging some people, it applies in a lot of ways. Yeah.
So. To continue our conversation that we've already been having since like an hour ago. Yeah, what you want to talk about, Graf? Well, I don't know.
I mean, it kind of feels like my my pattern recognition lately, and I don't know if I'm alone in this is feeling a little bit. more like we're on the Titanic,
a little bit, kind of a little bit, maybe a little bit, kind of. Yeah. And I was playing with this idea, because the Titanic, the movie has, you know, it's Leonardo DiCaprio and like whatever.
Oh my gosh, you know what I just realized? What? My first ever viewing of the Titanic was on Valentine's Day, which is today. Oh wow. I guess 1997.
is that when it came out? Yeah, I think so. - You remember better than me. But yeah, I know it was '90s, but-- - Because I remember thinking to myself, 'cause I was in a relatively new relationship.
- Yeah. - And I remember thinking to myself that when she died, when Rose dies and ends up back in the Titanic, - Yeah. - And she reunites with me.
all of these people or whatever. And you know, she sees Jack and I was just like, did you had a whole ass husband? Where? Where is he? I was like,
you had kids and everything. And but you just trying to come back to see this man that you bone in a car and you knew for 20 minutes. Like, that's a weird after life story. But I've been read something ages later.
I mean, decades later, because I think I read this within the last year or something that it was like for her to have told their stories and then for her to have like thrown the heart of the ocean back into the ocean as sort of a grave marker almost to like commemorate the loss of life.
and to honor them. That was why she ended up there because and that's why they clapped because they were like thank you for telling our story and thank you for telling the truth and yeah so yeah then it made more sense but like at the time I was like you're like this is your afterlife with these people I was like romantic and stuff.
Yeah, and he was cute, but like, um, what happened to your husband? Anyway, being and being like alive, while 40 something, Leonardo DiCaprio is alive as well. It just reminds me that many shit.
Like, look at that man. He ain't shit. We used to, I used to just be like every other girl dreaming about getting married to one of the new kids on the block. Obviously. Yeah. Right. Probably the gay one, because it's definitely the gay one that I wanted to marry.
Sorry. - But, you know, all these men now in their 40s and late 40s, early 50s, I mean, they just look like every other middle -aged white man. - Shall do. - But they have money,
so they date 20 -year -olds. That's the only difference. - Well, maybe they have money, maybe they don't have money. - Which also, that has never made sense to me either because like, having been a 20 -year -old woman.
- Right. - Why? Why what? Why do you want to, if you're middle aged, which I am now,
right? Why would you want to like spend time with a 20 -year -old when the conversation can't be great? Well, the conversation, the conversation is you're so awesome.
You're the only person who gets me. You like totally are so awesome. and like, you know what I mean? Like, that's what we see. And then the guys like,
you're so fucking hot. Exactly. And then, yeah. And so that's really what it is. It's just a one sided conversation, like most relationships. We're just having a one sided conversation with each other,
you know, in each other's company. And what an honor it is, honestly, because we are creating our own worlds. so yeah I'm happy to create my own world here with you even though you know in many ways it's always a one -sided conversation because we don't we can't ever know where people are really coming from right because we all have such we're all obviously human beings and I think everyone who's listening to this is
a human being and but shout out to the dog fans yes anybody you know what Da Vinci at home - Yes, my baby. - I just want to shout out to DaVinci, shout out to Tuna, my dog.
If you're listening to this, 'cause I put on my podcasts on the speaker and I just want you to know that I love you and you're important. - And DaVinci, I just want to say,
who's your good boy? - Who's your good boy? - It's your sweet baby. - I love him so much. He's such a good baby. - And you know what, I feel like if we could... relate to one another more on the level of you're such a good boy.
Yeah, you're really trying. I see that. I think that life would be at least more peaceful. Yeah, and more fun. So who are you on the Titanic? What did you end up?
Where did you end up with that? Yeah, so my question, like I think about that, like who who are we if we are on the Titanic? Are we below decks? Are we? we, you know,
I've always identified with the working class and felt like my my ancestors were and I know many of them were very poor and hard work working class. My great grandfather,
my great or my great great grandfather came across from Europe on a boat. He was like a baker. Oh, cool. But you know, even still, it's like that's such a terrible meaningless reduction of someone's entire life and impact on you.
Well, you know, thanks for your genetics. I know. And, you know, my grandma, she's 88, and she was just talking recently last time I visited her about. Like growing up in Germany.
Yeah. Before, during and after World War Two. And she was telling me a story about how how it was somebody's birthday and they had gone and dropped off their ingredients for the birthday cake at the baker.
And I was like, "Oh, did y 'all like not have an oven or whatever?" And she was like, "Well, no, but like no one did. The baker baked things." And so you just got the ingredients for whatever it was,
whatever special... item you were get like a birthday cake or something for Christmas or whatever. And you just brought the ingredients over to the baker.
And then the baker baked whatever it was that you asked for. And then you just went and picked it up. And I was like, why don't we still do that? Because you can't sell Wolf designer. Exactly.
Ovens with red knobs. Yeah. We just need for $5 ,000. We just. - We just need to go back to being in a village. Like, I really-- - Me too. - You know, I really want some of that,
like, bell at the beginning of the Beauty and the Beast vibes. - Yes. - That's what I want. ♪ There goes the baker with his tray like always ♪ We need to have that again, you know?
- I'm, you know I'm there. - Yes, girl. - I'm ready to, you know-- - Well, wait, let's talk about, okay, like, let's talk about our-- next big idea. Okay, okay. We are going to have.
Circle, I guess it's going to be circle. It's really not even, it's loosely to listen. It might be a rhombus, you know, we don't know. Um, but we want to invite our listeners to join us in person in my living room.
initially to tell stories, like to tell our stories, to hear each other's stories because that is how we get back to,
and it's not even, I hate to say going back 'cause it's not even, it's not a nostalgia for the past. It's like remembering what sort of was working,
understanding why it was working. continued, and then in that remembrance, consciously saying,
"Okay, well, we're going to bring that into our lives once again because it was working for us." And then that is where this comes in because I was just talking to a friend today about the,
like the, I can't think of the word. like The separation of duties, I guess like in a household and you've only got like typically,
you know, you've got however many kids you've got But depending on their ages, they may not be Super helpful So you've got like a mom and a dad or two moms and two dad or two dads or whatever the thing is like you typically you have two adults In your household and then some kids because that's the way that things are structured,
you know in this patriarchal society that we live in in. And it's like, okay, like they both work full -time jobs, but then she has to figure out grocery shopping, meal preparation,
child care, housework, all of that stuff. And you know, this is a conversation that's been had a million times, but it's like,
that would be so much easier if she lived with a bunch of other women. - Mm -hmm, wow. So I'm not asking people to move into my house at this point,
I'm just saying like come, like let's come together and tell each other our stories and it doesn't have to be your story, like any story, like let's just share stories with each other so that we can start to create with our energy a better way of doing things because the way things are being done.
right now is not, it's not great. No, we're all so isolated. I, as someone who really values my ability to hermit and isolate, I, I still live near family because I also,
I know my tendency is not healthy. Ultimately, for me, human beings crave connection. It's not anything to be ashamed of or apologize for. It's the way that we were designed.
It's the way that we were designed. It's the system that you're in. So why wouldn't we go back to like, I know we're using that go back to, but it's Terrence McKenna called it the archaic revival.
And it's the way he explained it was if you wake up in a culture that is like profoundly sick, and you start to recognize the ways in which it's in,
you know, conditioned you to function. within it, even though you're starting to recognize that it's sick. The best thing to do, like if you get lost in the woods, he said the analogy would be like,
if you got lost, the best thing that you can do is go back to the last place you knew where you were. Try to find the last place that where you knew where you were. Well, the last thing, the last place in our culture as humans that where we knew where we were,
where we were in equilibrium. as a species and with nature was in the archaic times where we were little villages and we each had our own you know thing that we brought to the table but we were all sharing responsibilities and living in harmony.
Yeah so like all these little ways that you know these little sayings you know like it takes a village and And what is the other one about the hands?
Like, oh, many hands, many hands like work or whatever. Yeah, like. That's a reason why. Yeah. I think why did we like that shit worked? Well, we stopped because,
right. Well, for reasons of like the tough stuff to look at. The thing that we've all been a part of. I think. our will.
I think it's like, I think it's just great. I think it's just greed. And I think it's over overblown because it's like how many piles of money does one person need to sit on when other people are struggling?
Right. And it's so stupid. And like, when you said, who would you be on the Titanic? The first thing that popped into my head was that SNL sketch where it was like, uh, they're like,
OK, you know, first class. passengers, women and children or whatever. And then they're like, second class. And then they're like, chandeliers. And then they're like, tech chairs. I like the third class passengers are like,
what? Yeah, that's what I see. It's like the ship is sinking. And so like, let's save as much of our stuff as we possibly can. Like, nobody wants to talk about,
um, anybody doing anything, you know, anybody. spending their resources differently or allocating them differently because you know what like capitalism and like this mind like don't come for my shit yeah and it's just like that's I think that's not I don't think that's the way that most people are looking at it at this stage but yeah like when you said who would you be on the Titanic I was like hopefully a deck chair
because damage got off And the third class passage was still open. An animatronics.
I love it. You were like, well, just carry my an animatronics off this ship because it's going down. Oh, my God. And I was thinking like the deck chairs, it's so sad,
because every time I watch it, I feel like I'm putting myself through this big. sort of analysis of society at large because it really feels so analogous to what we're going through.
It's like this slow moving crash that we all see coming. - That everybody sees coming. I know, it's like, it's like, we're in it. It's definitely, yeah. There's a bunch of holes poked in the side of our ship /country. It's definitely sinking.
- Part of me wants to believe like the first thought that I had in my head was, and this is how I like to... pump myself up in my mind. You'll see. I was like,
oh, no, I'm not that old white dude who had like the top hat and came down in his coat. And he was like, we're going to I'm going to take a brandy and then I'll just sit in this chair and watch the whole ship come fucking crashing on and not me at me.
But then I was like, no, because because I really do have rose energy as well. Like I'm trying to fight this. I don't know. And see like, and I do have a lot of fight energy, but do you know who I thought was like,
I had such an emotional reaction to in the movie was the old couple who realized like, oh yeah, we're definitely going down. And then they just went and got in bed. Cause like they, they were like, at least we're together.
And you know, I just watched the notebook over the weekend cause it was recommended, you know, for Valentine's Day and shit. - Right. - And I watched it and same I was like, dude, that's, that's the way to go. man. Just be like,
we mutually agree that this is not a great scenario for us, so we're just gonna beam out. God, what would it be like if people had the ability to fucking beam out? There'd be like seven people.
There'd be like seven people here. It'd be only the billionaires. It would be only, that's what I was just thinking. It would be the only the billionaires and the rest of us would be like, you know. Yeah, no, I'm good. I'm on to the next thing. Yeah,
I can see that this game is rigged. against me. So I'm going to peace out. I mean, that's definitely I think it's important to just be honest about. That's a completely rational calculation to make nowadays.
I'm not I'm not suggesting it. Obviously, I'm just a person who also deals with those types of thoughts. And I I had to get I had to befriend. I call her suicidal summer.
Did she live in the swamp of said she does live in the swamp? of sadness. - Suicidal summer lives in the swamp of sadness. - There's my ASMR contributions. - Hell yeah. - And I sort of had to reckon with it because a couple of years ago,
January 2022, I wanna say, that was the beginning of my like eight months of traveling. And I was on the beach with some loose acquaintances.
acquaintances in Northern part of California. And it was this transcendent and beautiful experience. And I just realized like, oh, I'm so sad.
Like I'm so sad. And, you know, being in a beautiful place will help you realize that you're sad. Because it's like, oh, if I can't,
if this can't cheer me up, if this can't fix that, then... then I really need to, I have to spend some time with myself and figure out what's going on. And of course that's what I have been doing,
getting to know that sad part of me, but the truths I made with myself that day was to always keep, you know, suicidal summer's voice in my head.
And I, I just want to normalize that it's a really, it's a part of being human. And if you have these. feelings, I just, I just cannot buy into the shame about it. So I'm just going to ignore it completely because it's stupid.
- Yeah. - But I told myself that day, I'm going to listen to her. I'm going to listen to you whenever you've got something to say, because you are trying to keep this thing afloat actually.
You're the one who wants this to work. And you're the one who's coming to tell me things aren't working. right and you're the last stop, you know, there's nothing beyond that. That's what I feel like we're moving toward is just like we all have these these pieces of ourselves,
whether they're like protector parts, right, or just they're just they're us. They're just all these different voices and like we I feel like with the with the way that things were.
where the focus was on doing and not being, it was like, oh, here are 27 things that you can do every morning between the hours of four and five a .m. to shut that shit the fuck up.
(laughing) So that only, you just beat those bitches into submission with all your positive polly bullshit, and then you can go on about your day and feel good about yourself because you have,
you have, disconnected from anything in your head or heart or life that's not really positive. And when I say positive,
I mean like-- - Toxically. - Yes, like go get 'em girl. - Well, part of what I realized on my journey too is that if I were to be judged or how I treated my inner child.
For example, if my inner child was a real child, I would have been hauled in for abuse. Yes. And that's it's not OK. And I had to take accountability for that. Like,
OK, I've done this to myself. I've allowed this conditioning. Not not in a way to like prolong the shame, but just take knowledge to take personal responsibility, radical honesty.
Yes, this is true. I allowed. people to take advantage of me and once I realized what was happening, I now was empowered to make a different choice.
It might not be a right -of -way choice, but it's a changing your mind towards a different outcome and making slow changes towards it. - Yes, because when people use lingo,
like, you know, re -parenting oneself and it feels like, what the fuck? does that even mean? This is what it means. This is what it means. And it doesn't have to be some elaborate thing, you don't need to class for it.
You catch when you're speaking to yourself like you would beat the fuck out of somebody for speaking to your child that way. And then you say,
okay, I am the child in this scenario, I'm gonna treat myself as if. I deserve love and compassion and respect because I do right and if the way that I have to do that is to remember like I don't speak to anybody that way so why would I speak to myself that way like that's just it's that it's catching it and then just repeating that pattern and doing it over and over and I texted you yesterday about how I was
having a conversation with my daughter who's a senior senior in college and how she just offhandedly, um, you know, in talking about her, her friends and her sorority sisters and stuff.
And she just was like, Oh yeah, like I'm the crier in the group. I get so emotional. And I just cry and I was just like, Dude, like that's fucking amazing. You can just express your emotions that way because like I told you,
like that would be my last resort. resort ever. - You were so tough, when we were in school, I feel like, who's the woman from Greece, like in Greece,
who was the tough one, from the pinkies or whatever, the-- - Oh yeah, I know who you're talking about. - Rizzo, you were Rizzo. - And I was like, did see little like-- - Sandy.
- Not even Sandy, who was the other one who was like the bubblegum and like blowing bubblegum, like the side character. character. Anyway, I always feel like such a goofball bounce and be bopping around. You know,
and then you were like, you could have let anybody's ass on bar. Yeah. And I think it is too, because the emotion that's the easiest for and this is just a theory,
I think that the emotion that's easiest for us to feel the emotion that's easiest for us to embody the emotion that's easiest. for us to be, like that makes us the most comfortable is the one that we're gonna default to.
- Yes. - And mine was probably like anger. - Anger and just like eviscerating people verbally because you were so good at verbalizing.
- Yeah, and it was-- - And you're so smart. - And that's where I always like, and it took like, yeah, I think that is a super power. I think all of the range of emotions that we can connect with are our superpowers,
but like, you can't, like, then if that's all I had, and it was for a long time, then you're just a one -trick pony. And it's like, oh, we'll call her when we need somebody to come and fucking scorch earth this situation.
- It's so great too, because this feeds right into how I'm realizing things about myself too, because my de - was to roll over and show my belly. Well, guess what? Some people fucking attack you when you show your belly.
Um, and I've had to learn this. We can talk now about like how I'm learning about boundaries and how even though I came into this world as my default wanting to roll over and show my belly,
I was drawn to you because you knew how to protect your boundaries or how to protect your boundaries or how to protect your boundaries or how to protect your boundaries or how to protect your boundaries or how to protect your boundaries. protect yourself or stand up for yourself. I hadn't, I didn't have that skill. So I was aligning with you because I saw you had something that I wanted to emulate in myself.
And I think that's, that is why this whole like village concept feels so amazing. And I feel so drawn to it because yeah,
like we've been plucked out of our scenarios, whatever those may be. yeah and then society tells us you know like you okay now you create your own household and like you share responsibility with a partner um whatever that looks like and you take care of your own household and like these households have gotten extravagant extravagant like and then i'm like i mean a mud hut sounds grounding to me a Amen.
Just me and some chicks in a mud hut. Literally, I mean, this is the thing I never could understand is, is how are you going to talk down on basically living with nature when like you love going like people love going camping and hunting?
Like that's all we're talking about is just being closer to nature, being more integrated with nature in our place. And, you know, just vibing. vibing and feeding ourselves and caring for each other and and having projects,
of course, making art, doing industry even, but just like on a scale that is not harming literally the world, literally the world.
Yeah, that's all I'm saying. But I do feel too, just so it's not all like gloom and doom and we're on the sinking Titanic, like I often feel feel like I'm in the midst of some sort of like drama action film where it's like,
what's gonna happen next? - Right. - You know, like some shit happens and then you're like, oh my God. - Right. - Plot twist. How do you go get out of this one? - And then it's like, you can almost forget that you,
you, how are you, how are you gonna get out of this one? But still it's like, it is, I've not lost the feeling of being in love with this whole thing.
- No, I'm so glad you said that. - That's the part that is, you're like, on this roller coaster, you know, and then you're like, this is so cool. That part of life is so invigorating and just being like,
you're in this whole thing and you don't even know how it's gonna end. Like you don't even know what's happening. up. You don't even know when your part's over. - Well, I think that-- - But you just keep being in it and you're just like, "What's gonna happen?" - I love that and it's a good point because yes,
there's the Titanic, but there's after the Titanic too. And in my worldview is that we're consciousness and so we're eternal. - Yeah.
- So this ego that I've constructed that's called summer. summer. She cute. Don't get me wrong. Oh, she cute. She's so cute. You know what I mean? Don't call me.
She, you know, is going to die. Of course, we're going to die. Yeah, of course, guys. I mean, this is the thing. It's like we have to face it because there's something that's going on in our culture right now.
It's like under the surface where we we really are are I think as a culture investing in this idea that we're gonna live forever because we're gonna like upload our consciousness or something or they're gonna come out with some medical advancements that are gonna like regenerate your friggin telomeres yeah and like and like and like that's maybe it's probably it might yeah and that's that is the whole thing not for
everybody because I literally thought as I sat in my you know um um, I don't know, third grade library playing organ trail on this big ass box of a computer that by the time I was this age right now,
we would have flying cars. That's what everybody said. It is 2024. My shit still has wheels on the ground. And like, I'm like, it's because of that big tire lobby girl. Yeah, girl.
See, and that, that is the whole thing. And also, you know what else I just thought of? Another Titanic reference. So like, I, you know, I told you, like, whenever after I had finished watching this,
whatever, however the fuck long it is, four hour movie on Valentine's Day. And I still had to go home and cook after that. And I was making roasted Cornish game hens. - So like, we didn't even eat dinner till like 10 p .m.
- What? - Yeah. - Hilarious. - Yeah, that's what happens when your girlfriend is 19 and she don't know how long food takes to cook. - Well, you know, even learn. - But anyway. so that was what I had said was like, I can't believe she got like a husband and kids and grandkids.
I mean, this woman taking care of her done dragged her ass all out into the ocean and she wasn't there in the, you know, finale or whatever. So that was what I was thinking. What Ralph said, which actually is smart,
I think. Now that I think about it, he said, why didn't they just throw it into reverse? reverse and all get off on that iceberg, that big fucking iceberg they hit? And then by the time the Carpathia came along,
they would have just been a bunch of people on an iceberg. They wouldn't have frozen to death probably 'cause you freeze to death in the water, you're fully immersed in it, but if you get enough people together to keep your-- - On an ice cube.
- On an iceberg, they might have made it. - It is just saying-- - I'm just saying, I'm just saying, this is our earth, and maybe we don't all need to be where we're at. are We couldn't turn that thing around. No,
no, they would have just backed it up. Oh, you can't do that Sit it right on back to the iceberg that we just hit so we can all get off.
Oh my god. Listen, I'm not an engineer now. I know what the first A .I.
generated graphic is going to be the titanic back and up. That's it. But with everybody get it with all them thousands of people. I'll I realize now with frozen feet to the top of the ice.
I realize now that you cannot just throw it into reverse in the water. I appreciate you. for that visual. Thank you. That was really good. You were like, how are they going to turn around?
Bitch, you just throw it in reverse. Or they should have had jet skis for all. Oh, yeah, just so good.
Yeah, I know. Well, so the thing is, we yes, of course, we're going to we're going to leave this physical. form, it's gonna go away, but we've always been,
and we always will be. So we're gonna change form, just like when we were a baby, we weren't who we are now, because we have a, we've constructed an ego of how we navigate the world,
and that's how we perceive ourselves. But separate from that role, we still exist, so that's, it's important to know. to remember Because if we don't keep our death in mind We will waste time on things that we actually don't want to invest in Because our time is finite in this form.
Yeah, that's what we're talking about this form this view this Perspective is finite. Yeah, that's why it's precious. It has to perish because Otherwise it it it's my Something that never,
that only grows is monstrous. - Yeah. - So we have to restart, you know? - Yeah. - We learn that way. - Yeah, and I feel like the soul, our souls are just infinite and they just have always been and will always be,
but it's the ego part that changes up the game every time. - Exactly. - And how that develops and all of that piece.
That's the big experiment. That we're all just like experiencing ourselves in the other and in our own ego stories and narratives and stuff. And so like,
that's really cool too. - It is really cool. And I mean, I think that's probably why we do this because it is so fun to be over there looking out of your eyes. once and then be over here looking out of my eyes at you,
you know, and like, what does that, how does that change things? What does that look like? You know, next time I'm going to be the microphone, you know, the time after that I'm going to be the Diet Coke can. Yeah, I know.
And I really do think that because remember I was talking to you about trees and how I used to not have any concern.
about trees and how I used to say that I was engaged in like an epic battle with nature and that I would like for everything to be concrete because like grass is dirty and,
you know, just was not a fan. Like the only time I spent in nature was like watching it on TV, like Discovery Channel or National Geographic or whatever. Like that was cool.
Yeah. Yeah. But like on my couch in the air conditioning, there was no dirt, no bugs, no dirt, no bugs. And now that I have this widened perspective,
like I think about the fact that that tree outside my backyard grew from an acorn and like had this incredible metamorphosis and that has grown again.
grown and grown it's like well that's a living being and it has like it it's like I don't know like they they are taking on like characteristics that remind me of personality I love it and so yeah and I do too and then it's like then when you think it's like that we I think that had that part had to be removed somehow for from from humanity as a whole in order to allow us to to participate in the kind of
destruction and waste and greed that we have been for ever, you know, for however long we've been doing this. And it's like, wouldn't it be better if like,
if the earth was preloaded with all of the stuff that we as human beings needed to survive? survive. I'm not saying that we shouldn't eat animals. I'm not saying that we shouldn't use trees for their lumber or whatever.
But like, I just feel like we need to get to take what you need type space. Yeah, where it's like, oh, I'm going to build my dwelling out of these trees.
And I'm going to honor these trees. I'm going to I'm going to explain to them what's happening. I'm going to talk to them about. it. I'm gonna ask them to Sacrifice their form to provide shelter for me and for my family that just seems so Intuitive now.
Yeah, think about it that way. Yeah, as opposed to like I'm gonna chop down Whatever I want you and thousands of your breath run and then I'm gonna have you sit on a shelf at Lowe's Yeah however long,
you know what I mean? Like it's just there's like I just feel like if we could just get to the state of of acknowledging everything as Coming from source.
Yep. Like you were talking about like the Diet Coke can and that like it's all it's so fucking cool Yes, and and it all is it always relates back to like that's why that I think the video game example is so cool because it's like You don't just get a bunch of shit in a video game.
So you can fucking sit on your shit, right? You get these tools so that you could like better Play the game. Yes, and like get to different levels and like unlock certain codes and stuff like that That's why you collect the things and video games that you get you don't just be like,
you know Well, I'm on level 45 and I have 80 ,000 gold coins. Great. And you're a terrible hang. Right.
Yeah. Like what the fuck are you going to do with all those gold coins? Exactly. What are you? What are you waiting for? What are you waiting for? And then calling a girl a good gold digger probably. Right. I know. Yeah. But I want to say the thing about because so I've been estranged from my mother for a couple of years,
we We, we, it's not really a news story or anything. And it's a very common experience when you've both left your religion,
when you're a woman from the South and, you know, come out as queer. My mom, and it's even more complicated than that. There's like abuse there, but it was,
it was largely rooted in spiritual abuse. And, you know, I, I was. my I love my mom. So anyway, the thing is Because my default mode is to roll over and show my belly and I genuinely do cultivate love for everything in my life Intentionally so that I can have a better experience of living Since I've already met suicidal summer and she was like that ain't it Don't keep going down this path beach.
Yeah, I'm telling you when I'm gonna call it off I'm gonna call it all the fuck off. Yeah - Yeah. - So now I listen to her. So when she says, "Uh -uh, uh -uh, uh -uh," I go, "Okay, well, you know, I can't go down that path.
I need to turn around or adjust my course." So anyway, my mother, and we were estranged, but she lives in the same town. This was part of the reason why I was really not looking forward to moving back home.
Because I just anticipated a lot more run -ins than luckily have happened, but I had a run -in where... she showed up where she wasn't supposed to be. And I had to tell her, hey, you're not allowed here and you need to leave.
And it was comical because I love my mother and like, I love her. Like she was my, you don't understand. First of all,
she was my mother. OK, then she was your best friend. She was my best and only friend. And she rooted around in my brain like no one else. one ever has nor ever will care to again.
Do you know what I mean? My mom knew me intimately like inside and out, all how my thoughts were. She made me share everything. That was part of the abuse was that I had no privacy, which makes it so easy to tell y 'all all this.
Cause cause anyway, whatever. But no, and I feel like it's part of my mission almost, you know. it's something that I want to do I want to share my experience with others because I want others to know they're not alone in their experiences Because yeah,
I got eyeballs and I can tell y 'all I'll be going through it, too So anyway, my mom showed up. I had to put a boundary up or I had put a boundary up already She wasn't allowed to show up And when I was trying to run her off,
I like I just felt like I looked like a cartoon like a cartoon cartoon character like shaggy or something like a shaggy from Scooby -Doo going like get on out here now get on now go on get to get in the car now get in the car I said get in as like I was talking to a toddler like a toddler and you know she certainly probably is taking offense and an in elaborate detail mind you to the exchange but But from my
point of view, I was just trying to hold my boundary because it was a breach. Yeah. And I wasn't trying to cause any additional harm. But it's like when you're a nice, cuddly person who rolls over and shows your little soft belly.
Yes. As a default, and someone tests your boundary and they know you're a soft, cuddly little rollover show your belly kind of person and they know that you love them. Yes. -Yes. -You have to show them that,
oops, I'm sorry, but since you saw me last, I have installed razor wire. -Yes, girl. -On this here boundary. -Yes. -And you're about to get cut to shreds. -Right, and that's the thing that's so fascinating to me and that's why I feel like our strength lies in our community and our ability to share with each other.
other and give and take because, and I know you and I have talked about this before, but like, if my default is, you know,
fuck around and find out. And I got that in spades, right? Like, I don't need to learn any more about that. I don't need to delve any further. I just came-- - And this is what you were told to.
- Yeah, and I came preloaded that way. - Okay. Then it makes sense for me to learn from and observe and dig into someone who does have that rollover and show your belly energy because and Ainsley has that as well.
Yeah. And so it's like that is so cool to me because it's like not only am I observing like how that works and where you where you play that card or whatever. Exactly. But I'm learning how to embody that.
I'm learning how to like, "Oh, this is okay. You know what? I think this is a show your belly moment." And I know how to do it now because I have some show your belly people in my life.
I love that. That is beautiful. And so we're sharing our gifts with each other and that's where the dream weaving storytelling idea comes from. It's like because we can...
the more of us that do that, like the more we can share these little cheat codes, the more we can figure out like, oh, you know what? You can fuck around and find out all day long,
but that's not going to work in some situations. That's not that's not, you know, you're like the video game thing, you know, like you're trying to kill the dragon with a diamond and you need a sword or whatever.
Exactly, you know, and like this is how you. you Get that yes, how you get that and that is I Feel like it is happening more now. I think that's exciting.
That's one of the exciting things about this game It's like oh, oh You can pair up with people and learn their skills. Yeah, you know, and that's exactly well Yeah, because we've been think about how we've been culturally herded into homogenization,
right? And that's all up to to Hollywood and all media, right? So we're getting, we're getting clear on that. That's why, you know, the rise of TikTok and to a much lesser degree Instagram and certainly to a much lesser degree than that Facebook,
which is just really the herding facility. Facebook is just the herding facility for the homogenization. Yeah, when you walk in there, it's like you're a cow and you're walking into one of those little stalls where they finna milk you.
They finna hook you up or they're just gonna numb you with a little a little shot to the Well, yeah, because like even and I told like I told you I tell you this almost every day when we talk It's like I don't listen to news or whatever the only news that I get is It's pretty much always tuned to NPR in my car so it's whatever is being said before I pick a podcast or Pick some music or whatever that starts
playing in my car when I'm driving and the little snippet that I got last week was like the Supreme Court hearing the like Ken States remove candidates from their ballot.
Oh right, right, right. And so they were like making the arguments and it's like you know the petitioner's attorney is speaking and then a Supreme Court justice story. to speak and then another Supreme Court Justice starts to speak and I was like I mean,
is this our first string? Thank you Why do all these people sound like they're in a bad fucking movie and like cuz they're in a bad fucking movie. That's ending Yeah,
that's what it is. And I mean girl as I was like, this is the best we got listen I used to date the motherfuckers that made us run into the iceberg That is it. I used to be an MPR supporter.
I used to read The Economist. I'm a current Atlantic subscriber, although that's just kind of passive at this point, but I get very narrow news, right? Yeah. And I do that intentionally because I curate everything that comes into me.
That's why I don't like commercials, because it's an invasion of my fucking piece. Do not come at me with your bullshit. That's why we don't advertise on this podcast. because we believe that if you've come into this space with us,
we don't want to just be like hijacking your attention for a commercial. I think that's bullshit. - That and like, if we do, I mean, we've had, we've had one guest so far,
we had Angela, but we do anticipate when it aligns, you know, having guests, but what we ain't gonna have is guests who come on here.
specifically with the intention of like selling something, right, like pitching themselves for whatever the fuck they're doing. Like, yeah, we'll we will tag people or,
you know, give their information and people can dig around. And if that works for you, great. And if not, that's cool, too. But like, yeah, we're not going to have people coming on here trying to sell any goddamn thing because that's all we do.
I feel like it's consume things and be told. what we are what we should be consuming or what the fuck like it's so old like right. That's what I feel is like as interesting as the game is.
It's like also like you said ending. So it's like, OK, well, this is kind of played out. Like it's cool to watch how we're all kind of waking up being like, why are we playing this stupid fucking game? Exactly. But yeah, the game itself is like tired.
It's tired. I've been I will put on NPR when I'm, you know, like showering or something. and you can skip it. Like, I'll ask Alexa to play it. Sorry, guys, if you're saying this over your speaker and yeah, Alexa,
we didn't mean to call you a girl. And so I'll tell it to skip anything that's like political. It's 75 % 70 private 80 % of the segments that they air are all politics,
international or local or not local. but are-- - Regional or whatever. - Regional. I am not interested. I don't wanna hear it.
- I can't make myself be interested in in the slightest. Because like I told you yesterday, like I don't even remember what set me off last night. Probably the fact that the reason that you get addicted to things is because-- because it hits your little dopamine,
whatever centers, you know, oxytocin, whatever the fuck it is, you know what I'm saying? Like all of the feel good hormones. And we were just like we shared with each other a TikTok where it was like the things that you find that you're addicted to are things that you have to,
it's like you have to keep doing them over and over and over again because they're not satisfying. - Yes. they don't they don't Satiate you. Mm -hmm. So like it's like a bag of Doritos like you're not gonna get full eating Doritos You just want the comfort of that of the habitual taking this crunchy Chip and putting it in my mouth and taste in this You know Overblown flavor,
right? That's weird because we shouldn't probably be eating food that tastes like a a fluorescent -colored nacho cheese -covered Dorito. - Yeah. - But you can't,
like, you're still, that's not gonna satisfy you, so you keep doing it waiting for, and it's the same thing with, like, drinking. You know, like, I drink excessively, and the reason that you drink,
the reason that people drink excessively is 'cause they keep waiting for that time that they're gonna... reconnect with how they felt that one time or that few times,
you know what I mean? And so it's like you just keep drinking, waiting for that feeling to happen and it doesn't happen so you drink more and it still doesn't happen and now your life's a fucking mess. Same thing with cigarettes, you know? Every once in a while you have that perfect cigarette where you're like,
oh my God, this is what I was after. But you have to smoke hundreds of cigarettes. and then you might get one of those. - Yeah, it's not pay off,
it's shitty. - It's not real, it's yeah. So those are the kinds of things that we do. And so I was probably, all that to say, I'm sure I was scrolling TikTok last night whenever I legit like just Googled like,
how can I email the White House? - Oh yeah. - And I pulled up the form and everything and I started to fill it out. And then I was like, girl, not, not, not today. Also,
this seems like a really poor use of your time and attention because ain't nobody fucking listening to you. Oh, no. It was going to be like, do you guys know what's happening?
Right. Down here. Yeah. On these streets. Yeah. And it's like, of course they do. They just don't give up. But nobody does. So it's like.
that's that's like the whole thing about like how you're playing the game, right? Because like, right? Like me five years ago, it's like, oh, let me sign up to work on your political campaign.
Let me give you money towards your campaign. Let me let me write to my congressman. Let me email the White House. Let me, you know, all of these things. And now it's like,
well, we know none of that work. No. No. So why why waste our energy? Like, let's figure out another another way. Like those cheat codes are it's like when you find a coupon code and it's like this bitch expired six months ago.
That is what it feels like. It's like, yeah, that's exactly what you were. That's what you were expected to do or what we were told worked. It didn't end up working. It's certainly I feel like it's going to work now because,
yeah, it's expired. So. So the new thing is to build community in small organic ways. And so people who listen to this podcast and who support us on Patreon,
we do have a Patreon where we're just getting it up and going. So we we came out of the gate like we do. And we were like, we're going to do 50 million things up on thumb.
And we were like, oh, yeah, that's and then suicidal summer was like, y 'all got lost. Y 'all got damn. mine." - She sure enough was. She was like, "Uh, you, no." - No, ma 'am. - She was like, "You don't make me march out of this swamp of sadness to snatch your ass up and tell you not today,
bitch." - Not today. - Exactly. We'll see. And so I'm grateful to her because she knows when I'm about to go down a bad path, she says, "Hey, heads up, you know. We gon' die over this." - We gon' die over this.
Let's put a boundary up or let's ask for some consent. concessions, which you were happy to work with me and the folks who are supporting us, we're so grateful to you. We changed our whole model on Patreon and really the goal for Patreon is just to be a place where you guys can show your support,
which is something that we really appreciate. And it keeps this ad -free, which we would keep it ad -free no matter what 'cause it's part of our values, but it also provides an opportunity for us to give special content over there.
And then our goal ultimately is to grow that into our community more globally, you know what I mean? So while we're setting up our little vocal chapter of Dream Weavers where we get together and we share stories in a safe place,
and if you're not local, you can host your own and we can coordinate. coordinate and support each other and collaborate, collaborate, record and hear each other. Exactly. Yeah.
So we don't, as usual, we don't have a plan per se, but that feeling our way through what you just said was our loosely defined, like what we plan to do. So we're going to figure out a date and it's going to be like soon,
like within the next week or so. And like, if four people show up, we go with those four. four people. Like, that's the whole thing. It's like, what can I do where I am?
Right. To help further what I what I hope this game is is transitioning to.
Yeah. So I could give my energy to worrying that we're going to have an all out, you know, nuclear Holocaust. And so I need to email the White White House about that stat, right? Or I can give my energy to These people are gonna cannibalize themselves once we disconnect from the system and so we need what we need to build what we want to keep experiencing which is Community with one another and how can we be here
for each other during the? fall of this game game, the fall apart part of it, the transition of this game. Yeah. Because other, other, we, our ancestors have survived this.
Yes. And that thing, I told you that too, like every time I start to feel overwhelmed, every time I start to feel like I'm just drowning in the drama of it all, I'm like, people lived through,
you know, the crusades and inquisitions and two world wars. and plagues, the Great Depression, and you know,
yeah, plagues and shit. It's like, this is not new. It's just like the way we're experiencing it is new to us, but like our souls have done this before and have been here before. And I think that as we move from unconsciously experiencing this world to consciously experiencing it,
and that's how we have the vantage point that like, "Oh, we've done this before." Like, Like, that's the part of us I feel like we need to tap into so that we can be like, oh, how do we reconnect with each other?
Because that's lacking. How do we reconnect with resources and other life forms that we share this planet with?
- Yeah. - And not just be consumers? Like, we're just like a big ass fucking batch of locusts that's got-- cancer I mean humanity and under the control of capitalism is very cancerous to this world and None of us are having a fucking good time guys.
Just just be honest. Mm -hmm. It's really it's really scrappy out here and you know That's true. And then I also told you yesterday how I'm actually starting to like my job,
which is yes, and I love that Paradox, you know, it's a paradox, but it's I feel like the single biggest win that we can have right now. And and if we don't already have it,
this is what we can focus on cultivating is the ability to hold paradox. Yeah, if we can just get out of that, that's how you exit the matrix is like, you just say like,
well, these things are not mutually exclusive. They're just not, you know, like. They can so many things can be. true at the same time and if you can shift your awareness from that either or To both and like that's the that's the trick.
That's the hat trick. That's the hack exactly Well, I think maybe this is a good place for us to end. Yes Yeah, I'm super happy to be back in studio with you. Can I just tell you I keep looking at you like girl I mean to be here me too.
I'm so glad to be back. Well, we love y 'all 'all, bye. - Love you, bye.